* Successes and Accomplishments: what you have pointed out needs to be aggressively broadcast to alums and the community by the university Cite the many successes.
Many of us boomers have/are retiring and have opportunity for the university to potentially access our discretionary income and savings through donations and bequests. The time is now as that opportunity will diminish over the next decade.
* following on KDSS examples of LBSU vs. UC career prep, I’ve had recent opportunity to interact with a COB development officer. This person has also worked at USC and LMU in development positions. A comparison was relayed from an experience that a LBSU grad/father had with two children. One attended the COB. The other USC’s business school. The COB grad’s education was practical and smoothly transitioned into a business career. The SC grad’s education was theoretical and had difficulty transitioning into the business world.
Man, just like most everyone else here, seeing the real world vs. the bullsh** that's fed to everyone during high school years about universities in California - really chaps me. And as you've detailed, it's a sham by design.
I'll get to other real-world scenarios, but when when you put this through the experience of a Division 1 athlete being recruited, this is clearly evident: If an athlete that wants to study business administration as an undergrad, when a UC school is recruiting them, they can only offer "BUSINESS ECONOMICS." And I have no doubt they try to conceal the fact that that program is not Business Administration, it's what would be referred to as "ECONOMICS" in the College of Liberal Arts at Long Beach State (all theory, no real-world application). Why? BECAUSE NO UC CAMPUS HAS A BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION program at the undergrad level.
* At Long Beach State, if an athlete wants to study actual business, not just economic theory (again, at LB State, Economics is a separate program in the College of Liberal Arts), they'll go for a Bachelor of Science in Business Administration (and choose specific programs betweeen Information Systems, Marketing, Human Resources, Management, Finance, etc.) and with a well-rounded baseline business education. It's literally night and day. The LB State student is more prepared for the real world immediately (and likely had at least 2 internships).
* Same thing with fields like Journalism/Public Relations: there are no programs on an undergrad level at UC campuses. Yet Kids simply don't know that when they're in high school. Quick anecdote: my team interviewed a potential intern from UCI (for a PR/Brand Marketing internship)...the girl had a major called "Literary Journalism" (which was literally not anywhere near actual journalism - the students just studied old literary works as an entire major - which rendered her wholly unprepared for even an internship compared to candidates from CSU or private university programs). It was pure theory - which is great if you're planning on doing graduate studies in literature, but basically useless otherwise.
These things just aren't clear to students applying to schools: that good CSU individual programs are more specialized and prepare students better for jobs after graduating undergrad. Learn by doing, not just theory.
* Some other top nationally-renowned programs at LB State, like industrial design, are another great example. Our alums in that field have been doing things like growing George Lucas' Industrial Light and Magic, while there aren't equivalents at UC schools for undergrad.
I know several of you are on here are from the aerospace world: everyone knows how prominent LB State has been there - with a wide range of senior leadership in many top Aerospace companies (including Ratheon/Northrop/lockheed/etc.).
Now don't get me wrong: UC campuses are designed for and great for if students are going for graduate degrees, particularly in medicine and such - but most students aren't. And even so, plenty of LB State students do undergrad at The Beach and go on to medical schools.
My own wife, in the mental health field, did her undergrad at UCLA and her grad work at The Beach.
Obviously there's great work being done at some UC campuses + research and such. and I mentioned medical school, which we don't have. But to generalize all types of research into black and white is a sham.
All of this is to say...the funding discrepancy is a sham at the state level!
GO BEACH
Beach Shark made an interesting cmment that the UC schools seem to have more money than the CSU’s. The fact is they do. The UC budget has to pass in whole, which means the Legislature has accept everything on the complete UC budget. The CSU budgets, I mean each independently are scrutinized by the Legislature staff who recommend to each legislator what line items should keep or jettisoned. A very key difference.
Another key difference is CSU Presidents have to explain how discretionary money in their budgets are spent. Whereas the UC Chancellors do not. That means every UC school in the Big West can get and spend discretionary money from each Chancellor. The is no answering to the state Legislature.
Ever wonder why CSU’s are not well funded, and that includes academics.
But wait there is more when Clark Kerr setup the UC system he stipulated that the CSU was for applied programs, majors, while the UC was for research. This whole scheme is bullcrap. To me accounting and CPA’s are an applied majors, so the UC should not be teaching accounting and getting them into CPA programs for credentials.
The UC’s teach something called economics, which at first blush is a research program. However most, like 90% of the people they put in the workforce are accountants! If you want to concentrate on a single point, either the budgeting or the teaching majors, should be looked st very closely.
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