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BWK

Posted by Mark@ Big Sky Kennels (bigsky) on 1/4/2008, 5:53 pm, in reply to "Mark"
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Your english is great probally much better than mine.Heck bud just want to say that usually I don't even tip my hat to the public about my breeding practices! Refuse to argue anymore blood pressure thing!LOL! Now I's know what I want to produce and funny thing is "I have never wanted to be a breeder!" I just could not buy the Bulldog I knew I could produce!"Pure truth! That being said here goes!After playing with the genes fell in love with producing good Bulldogs! Hate shows!! Won't see me at a show!Love the dogs can live without the people! Would I recomemnd this type of breeding to soemone who is breeding either there first or second breeding? Yes ,this is not something that only an "Rocket Scientist" could figure out really! Its simple husbandry Breeding/line breeding/inbreeding # 101! You know this too!
This is certainly not something I invented its a tool thats been around and used on pure bred animals for 100reds of years!Please! Hello! Its not like we are reinventing the wheel here! Its like to me "if" whoever decides to do this they "must also" decide to cull and take the heat that the pubilc will dish out because of the faint hearts sitting on the sidelines wanting to not rock the boat and ride on someone elses shirt tails! Actually I have a quit a few guys who are listening to my program and breeding plans and see the success I've been having and are jumping in right with me. I didn't ask them too I guess they just don't want to sit back and watch me create all those kick ass Bulldogs!!!LOL!! Thats funny isn't it!!!!
Well I will say this the people/breeders that have been around for a spell now and mass producing these dogs should have a heck of a lot more Kick ass Bulldogs under there belts thatn they do but they don't! Why??????
Well you can only close your eyes and pull the arrow back and let it fly with hitting the target by accident! Sooner or later your going to have to open your eyes and shoot for a real target or stay there shooting with your eyes closed! This bred is a mess!!!!!!
there have been a handful who have seen it down through the years and tried to straighten the mess out but only stayed in for a while then jumped ship!! I know why!
I know its dishearting to sit back and watch the ugly fuglies sit sit on the side-lines and holler crap when you work your ass of and spend more money then you have to do it right and they sit there and sell there crap! Its ugly to look at! Its uguly to talk about because you will not make friends talking the truth!!
Thats the truth! Well I am gonna go for now please don't everyone come at me at once , I really don't want to fight and I am too dang old to fight!!
I carry lots of guns on me now!!LOL!! And this Red Neck can shoot! Just kidding! Heeeee haaaawwww!~
God Bless: Mark @ Big Sky

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: ...thanks for not pulling my password!!
: I don't think you got exactly what i meant this is a very interesting but hard
: subject to discuss in English, but i guess my English is better than your Swedish!?
: All i'm trying to say is with inbreeding theres risk involved and a possible
: disaster overdone, and i don't talk about a single breeder using this method now and
: then, but if ALL are doing it ALL the time over a long period of time.
: Even if one perfect stud is over used you could get in trouble when the second
: generation is born, theres an example of that about a bull called Matador who
: carried a ressesive defect for one testicle, first gen. no problems and the
: offspring were as healthy as there father but with the generation, inbreeding half
: brother to half sister, the ressesive gene now doubled popped up resulting in
: infertility.
: If a closed population (like the JDJ bulldog) is to stay healthy for an unlimited
: period of time the active population needs to be 500 or else they rapidly start to
: lose there genetic diversity and you need to add fresh blood.
: It is impossible to weed out all defect genes, the average living being carries
: about 5-10 genetic defects programmed into there dna.When i mentioned foundation dog
: i in my post was generally speaking of FCI approved breeds.
: I believe there problems comes from show breeding for a sertain look using
: inbreeding to get it.
: I would not recommend it to start with, it is in my opinion for the experienced
: breeder, i don't do it my self.
: Would you recommend this breeding practice to a new breeder having his first or
: second litter??
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: I hope i don't sound like an ass, remember this is not my nr. one language!!
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: Weed out the defects from gene pool and I don't think it was a small gene pool with
: "12 to 14" different dogs(thats not a small gene pool) thats for sure! The
: people who cull and take the risk I believe will see results and make the
: difference, The real test is "what are you producing?" Everyone already
: knows what we get when we do noting! Personally I have seen Great results going
: tighter then set your tight stock into something looser. Paul C. has a full brother
: to sister b###h of mone she will be bred to Bo watch what that breeding produces!
: Now that b###h is as muscled up and near perfect conformation as one could ask for.
: When I need an out cross it will be a very tightly bred Old Southern White who has
: great health ,temperment ,structure but tight also. Remember we are not going from
: one foundation dog but two dozen different dogs.
: Where do you get "the" foundation dog? Not looking for anyone to agree by
: the way , I usually keep my thoughts on breeding to myself as I will not argue and
: enjoy just doing my own thing. I jumped in because I happen to like Bryan and his
: desire to make good positive changes ,can we agree the breed is a mess? what would
: you do to change that?
: You or anyone does not have to agree I won't pull your password.LOL! Everyone sees
: things differently. Take Care Bud: Mark @ Big Sky
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: I don't agree with Mark, the gene pool was small, yes inbred dogs breeds
: consistently
: but they also double up on defect genes, and a population under 300 will start to
: lose genes resulting in depression, early signs are lower fertility, weaker immune
: system, smaller dogs and shorter lifespan.
: Most breeds recognized by FCI is a result of inbreeding but they are not the
: healthiest dogs around, they all have ONE major defect from the foundation dog that
: breeders then have problem avoiding.If conformation consistency is your main
: objective keep inbreeding everyone, personally i don't think these dogs need more
: uniform and over all health is my main concern.
: Don,t get me wrong i don,t want other breeds/lines crossed into our Johnsons but i
: think a widening of GOOD dogs used wouldn't hurt.
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: PS there should say LOWER not HIGHER in my previous post .
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