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Posted by Red
(SSG Remaley) on 2/26/2008, 6:42 am, in reply to "Re: Hips One of the Biggest side steps breeders make "
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Just so you know, I have two AB's and have PennHipped one and will PennHip the other once I return home. As I said I believe it is a good TOOL if it is not manipulated and if you do not believe some people are manipulating scores for as you say $$$$ than that is ignorant. Tell me how worse off is this breed today than it was 20yrs ago? And if it is then why is it worse? Hmmm..becuase people are bringing in oldest and pits and other outcross? Possibly because people are breeding without obtaining the knowledge first? Like I said X-ray and breed. Forget getting to know and understand the special characteristics of this breed just go to the vet and get an x-ray.
Look the point I am attempting to make is PennHip is a good tool and could if used right and not manipulated help lessen HD. At the same time I WILL NOT snub nose and look down on people who have been doing this long before these studies were available and have produced hog dogs, working dogs and show dogs. These people are people us “newbie’s” need to sit on the porches with and learn as much as we can. Believe me I guarantee they can teach us much more than a Vet can.
These 3,4,5, Gens of pennhipped dogs that have had ALL their offspring tested also who are they?
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: I'm sorry people but I personaly thanks it's ignorant to descredit the importance of
: the PH tests. WITHOUT THE PENNHIP TESTS THE BREED WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO BE A
: DYSPLASTIC BREED AND WITH PEOPLE BREEDING WITH THIS KEEN EYE I KEEP HEARING ABOUT
: ARE GOING TO BE LEFT BEHIND. I do agree that certain cases of HD will be caught by
: someone that knows what there doing but there will be more than not more that slip
: through the cracks and be bred without the use of PENNHIP TESTS. I say PH because I
: think for the most part OFA is a joke. I read in a study where PH was 236% more
: likely to remove HD from a persons breeding program than OFA. The proof is in the
: pooding. If I wanted to take the time I could put together some many FACTS AND
: SCIENTIFIC STUDIES THAT WOULD PROVE THAT PH IS THE #1 KEY TO REDUCING HD IN THIS
: BREED. Now I haven't been around long but it doesn't take a rocket scietist to see
: the benifits of using PH. I have a 4 yr old dog that has a mild case of HD and
: rarely if ever shows signs. Tell me how you can tell he had it without a test when
: he runs like a dear, has almost perfect conformation with no cowhocking, and can
: stand on his hind legs, and stop on a dime. I didn't see any signs at all until he
: was bred and was almost 3 1/2yrs old. By that time the damage was done. It wasn't
: until at 3 1/2 yrs that on a cold day he packed one leg and I took him to the vet
: and he was x-rayed and found to be dysplastic. I give him Rymadil for about a week
: and now he is running like a deer again and I will proove it to anyone. Bottom line
: though the dog has a gene for HD and should not be breed. Without x-rays this would
: have never been known until I saw the signs. PennHIpping would have caught this and
: the dog would not have been bred. I know of several dogs that have 3,4,5 gen of PH
: dogs in there pedigree and with each gen the scores got better and the number of
: dogs being replaced virtually disappeared. How can people ignore these facts? MONEY
: THAT'S HOW. That's the only possible answer or that they have 15 yrs invested in a
: breeding program that they don't want to admit has been flawed and has not bettered
: the dogs as far as HD goes, so IMO not bettered the breed. Now Hips aren't the only
: thing to look for but if a dog can't walk it doesn't really matter much how good his
: pigment, temp, conformation, or anything for that matter. Get real. I have people
: calling everyday that have never owned an American Bulldog but took the time to do
: research before buying one. They have made up there own mind what to look for
: without any outside influenced so to speak. They all ask the same first question.
: What health tests have been done? Have they been PH? They know this is a dysplastic
: breed and without scientific testing how can anyone know for a fact what there
: breeding. Doesn't most people look fine and then go in for a colonoscopy and find
: out they have colon cancer when they would have lived for 1-2 more years before the
: signs were there let's say. They would have caught it in time to save there life
: with a test or be dead because they went with the eyeball method. What a joke. I'm
: sorry but falling in love with a dog and having it crippled no matter if you get
: another pup or your money back your hearts broke. I will not breed dogs without hip
: testing and the people that keep eyeballing it no matter how much experience will be
: left behing.
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