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Posted by Red
(SSG Remaley) on 2/26/2008, 11:13 am, in reply to "Re: Hips One of the Biggest side steps breeders make "
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Hey man I was not attacking you was just responding to your post. As you was stating what you believe in so was I. I did not say the older breeders are so great they are above using Science. My point is I believe there are those out there that have enough experience to be able to judge an animal without science. I am not saying they should not use the studies, what I am saying is I trust their opinions without the studies. As for striking a nerve, I just believe that there is not “one right way”. What is good for some may not be good for others. I don’t believe all who do not use penn hip or other studies are deceiving either. If you have been breeding for yrs upon yrs and you have produced great dogs, good dogs, and some bad dogs, but produced more of the good ones than others then all of a sudden some study comes around saying that it can do what you believe you already know how to do for about 300 bucks. You will have faith in what you have been doing would you not? You mentioned that your friends tell you, you have to much believe on the good of people. I guess you and I are the same there because I do believe in the integrity and good of a man before science.
We are going to have to agree to disagree on this cause we will just continue to go in circles. But that is what makes life so interesting, if we all believed the same thing how boring would life be. Again remember from the beginning I said I used it and will use it (PennHip). Never lose faith in the human element, a lot of people truly mean well. Have a good one man and good luck in all you endeavors.
Red
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: Hey Red I don't recall ever mentioning your name but I guess you took it that way. You
: said , if I recall, you think the old time breeders are so great at looking at and
: judging a dog that they are above using a scientific method to test there dogs for
: HD. You have to be joking right. I have learned a lot from these very wise
: breeders. But for some of them being wise they should know that scientific testing
: will only put them above everyone else with the rest of the knowledge they have. HD
: is NOT the only problem in this breed but as I said before if a dog can't walk well
: the rest doesn't really matter much then does it. I don't look down on anyone
: because I don't feel like I'm good enough of a human being to do that. That was a
: stupid comment coming from someone that just typed what they believe in and stand
: for as I do. Telling what you believe in isn't looking down on someone. If what I
: say bothers you than it must have hit home. I am not looking for a fight but I
: believe passionately in these dogs and will do whatever it takes to better them.
: When people say that PH testing isn't good or shouldn't be used, or doesn't help,
: and they think they know more about a dog just by looking at than they are decieving
: people. Aaron I have never spoke to you but I will tell you one dog I know of that
: has many gen of PH dogs behind her and throws it in her pups. I really hate using
: someone else's dog but it is one of the best repersentations of what I said. Rebecca
: of Big Sky, currently at Mitchell has about 3-4 gen of PH dogs in her background and
: to my knowledge has never thrown a dysplastic pup. To my knowledge now that I think
: about it Aaron has Zech ever thrown a dysplatic pup. I don't think he has. IT has
: been proven in other breeds that PH testing is removing the possibility of HD in
: those dogs. It probably will never be completely gone but if we come down from being
: in like the top 20 most dysplastic breed to being let's say half as much better,
: than that's awesome if you ask me. All of you have to be human enough to admit it
: would break your heart to see that happen to one of your dogs that one of your kids
: just adored now wouldn't you. Well what if it was virtually wiped out. It just might
: not happen anymore. It blows my mind how people can argue against this when the
: proof is right there. A friend of mine keeps telling me I always believe too much
: that theres good in everyone and that they just couldn't be doing it because of the
: money. Well I'm starting to believe him which blows my mind because in the end we
: are breeding, selling, and making money off of a living creature which should be
: given the oppurtunity to have everything done to insure a healthy life. Anyone that
: argues that should get out of the business. What if you went to the docter to have a
: health test done because you wanted to catch something early and the docter told you
: that, ah hell man you look good to me and I have been doing this for 60 yrs and I
: know healthy when I look at it. Doesn't that sound stupid. People are going to make
: there own minds up no matter what you do I see that now. So the time for trying to
: open people's eyes is over for me. I will do what i know helps this breed and in the
: end the people getting dogs will know the right route to take in getting one. Hey by
: the way thinks Aaron for this being the way we met or at least first talked. Once
: again my intentions were never meant to offend anyone just to be truely honorable
: but since you fired at me I will fire back. I guess sometimes it's best to agree to
: disagree. I mean it's not like I'm trying to say that shooting yourself in the head
: is the best way to die hear. I'm trying to show people what I think is the best way
: to breed dogs. That come after much reading, studying, and talking to breeders who
: do it both way. Even some that have been around for 20 yrs longer than most of all
: of us put together. Some of them , even with all there knowledge admit that no
: matter how long you've been in it there's no better way to prove the quality of
: there breeding stock than doing scientific testing. I am listening to the truely
: wise breeders, IMO, and they have been around as long as anybody else.
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