[ Post a Response | JDJ American Bulldog Preservation Board ]
Posted by BWK
on 2/26/2008, 1:53 pm, in reply to "Re: Hips One of the Biggest side steps breeders make "
91.95.192.117
Red, theres a down side to what you are saying....Even if some one could evaluate there dogs without PH, a puppy buyer a couple of gen. after could not, all hes got is a name!!
With an PH- result you would know the exact hip status!!
--Previous Message--
:
: Hey man I was not attacking you was just responding to your post. As you was
: stating what you believe in so was I. I did not say the older breeders are so great
: they are above using Science. My point is I believe there are those out there that
: have enough experience to be able to judge an animal without science. I am not
: saying they should not use the studies, what I am saying is I trust their opinions
: without the studies. As for striking a nerve, I just believe that there is not “one
: right way”. What is good for some may not be good for others. I don’t believe all
: who do not use penn hip or other studies are deceiving either. If you have been
: breeding for yrs upon yrs and you have produced great dogs, good dogs, and some bad
: dogs, but produced more of the good ones than others then all of a sudden some study
: comes around saying that it can do what you believe you already know how to do for
: about 300 bucks. You will have faith in what you have been doing would you not? You
: mentioned that your friends tell you, you have to much believe on the good of
: people. I guess you and I are the same there because I do believe in the integrity
: and good of a man before science.
:
: We are going to have to agree to disagree on this cause we will just continue to go
: in circles. But that is what makes life so interesting, if we all believed the same
: thing how boring would life be. Again remember from the beginning I said I used it
: and will use it (PennHip). Never lose faith in the human element, a lot of people
: truly mean well. Have a good one man and good luck in all you endeavors.
:
: Red
:
: --Previous Message--
: Hey Red I don't recall ever mentioning your name but I guess you took it that way.
: You
: said , if I recall, you think the old time breeders are so great at looking at and
: judging a dog that they are above using a scientific method to test there dogs for
: HD. You have to be joking right. I have learned a lot from these very wise
: breeders. But for some of them being wise they should know that scientific testing
: will only put them above everyone else with the rest of the knowledge they have. HD
: is NOT the only problem in this breed but as I said before if a dog can't walk well
: the rest doesn't really matter much then does it. I don't look down on anyone
: because I don't feel like I'm good enough of a human being to do that. That was a
: stupid comment coming from someone that just typed what they believe in and stand
: for as I do. Telling what you believe in isn't looking down on someone. If what I
: say bothers you than it must have hit home. I am not looking for a fight but I
: believe passionately in these dogs and will do whatever it takes to better them.
: When people say that PH testing isn't good or shouldn't be used, or doesn't help,
: and they think they know more about a dog just by looking at than they are decieving
: people. Aaron I have never spoke to you but I will tell you one dog I know of that
: has many gen of PH dogs behind her and throws it in her pups. I really hate using
: someone else's dog but it is one of the best repersentations of what I said. Rebecca
: of Big Sky, currently at Mitchell has about 3-4 gen of PH dogs in her background and
: to my knowledge has never thrown a dysplastic pup. To my knowledge now that I think
: about it Aaron has Zech ever thrown a dysplatic pup. I don't think he has. IT has
: been proven in other breeds that PH testing is removing the possibility of HD in
: those dogs. It probably will never be completely gone but if we come down from being
: in like the top 20 most dysplastic breed to being let's say half as much better,
: than that's awesome if you ask me. All of you have to be human enough to admit it
: would break your heart to see that happen to one of your dogs that one of your kids
: just adored now wouldn't you. Well what if it was virtually wiped out. It just might
: not happen anymore. It blows my mind how people can argue against this when the
: proof is right there. A friend of mine keeps telling me I always believe too much
: that theres good in everyone and that they just couldn't be doing it because of the
: money. Well I'm starting to believe him which blows my mind because in the end we
: are breeding, selling, and making money off of a living creature which should be
: given the oppurtunity to have everything done to insure a healthy life. Anyone that
: argues that should get out of the business. What if you went to the docter to have a
: health test done because you wanted to catch something early and the docter told you
: that, ah hell man you look good to me and I have been doing this for 60 yrs and I
: know healthy when I look at it. Doesn't that sound stupid. People are going to make
: there own minds up no matter what you do I see that now. So the time for trying to
: open people's eyes is over for me. I will do what i know helps this breed and in the
: end the people getting dogs will know the right route to take in getting one. Hey by
: the way thinks Aaron for this being the way we met or at least first talked. Once
: again my intentions were never meant to offend anyone just to be truely honorable
: but since you fired at me I will fire back. I guess sometimes it's best to agree to
: disagree. I mean it's not like I'm trying to say that shooting yourself in the head
: is the best way to die hear. I'm trying to show people what I think is the best way
: to breed dogs. That come after much reading, studying, and talking to breeders who
: do it both way. Even some that have been around for 20 yrs longer than most of all
: of us put together. Some of them , even with all there knowledge admit that no
: matter how long you've been in it there's no better way to prove the quality of
: there breeding stock than doing scientific testing. I am listening to the truely
: wise breeders, IMO, and they have been around as long as anybody else.
:
:
:
Responses:
Board Administrator: Mark Moler
Co-Administrators: Paul Ciancio, Rob Barry,
and John Healy
