JDJ American Bulldog Preservation Board: Bryan:

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Bryan:

Posted by Mark and Tammy @ Big Sky on 4/12/2008, 9:36 am, in reply to "Re: Inbreeding when do we do it or should we?"
Message modified by board administrator 4/12/2008, 9:41 am

I agree with your thoughts ,You are absolutley right 100% ,a breeding program is a breeding program. Some programs are really sort of nilly willy!
My program has been developing for 20 years , started it then seen traits I didn't like and culled many times have too its a breeding program. I've made many decisions to get rid of certain Bulldogs I've regreated later. One male I had many breeders would of taken in a second was Melo Mel we called him. My Bulldogs needed to be perfect then. I culled because I thought then he was too light in the rear end hahahah LOL!!. I should of kept him. He was out of Jackson's Buck Sugar Doll 53 ,I've got other pictures of him sideways looking that show him better proportionally.

We have people coming over today looking at our Bulldogs from Georgia so we won't have a lot of time for this post its a great topic thats very well needed if we are to turn our breed in the right direction. Thats my opinion. And its just mine. I see a turn slowly towards better health and athletism but not much.

This is Big Sky's Gabby from a half brother to half sister. Owned by Atomics American Bulldogs.
23" - 85 pounds @ 1 Year, 9 Months Old
Penn Hip .31-.32, NO DJD @ 20 Months Old
Scored tighter than 100% of the breed.
DNA Profiled.

Here is Big Sky Gabby she is from one of my half brothers to half sister breedings! Very definate traits. She is owned by Atomic American Bulldogs. Paul has told me she will be bred to Bo and we have pick female coming back from that breeding.
That female coming back after she matures and checks out then ,her grandfather's semen she will be breed with Big Sky's Eli surgically implanted.
Big Sky's Gabbriella

Big Sky's Sugar Doll
23" - 84 pounds @ 2 ½ Years Old
Penn Hip .37-.41, NO DJD @ 20 Months Old
Scored tighter than 90% of the breed.
DNA Profiled

She was just bred to Bo and we recieved a "Perfect puppy back!! LOL!!

She will be bred by Big Sky's Teddy if I can get John to collect on him. That is after she matures and all works out. Big Sky has different Bulldogs all over this country that could be used as examples. Certain characteristics can be easily brought back in such as size after going tight. It can be brought in the next generation after going really tight. None of my Bulldogs are perfect and neither is anyone elses. I'm not telling anyone how to bred there bulldogs at all I am very very passionate about "My Bulldogs always have been maybe too passionate at times. They are my children.!"
Some of my favorte breedings are coming up and will all see how they turn out!
I'm liking what's going on in the 100% Johnson world. Shane has some blood I want to get in my program and so does Mitchell after next spring. Theres many more great blood out there ,we were just given a bulldog puppy out of Nemo and Sadie thats going to be awesome we plan on breeding her to Big Sky's Apollo that Stompers belly brother who Dr. Paul said yesterday he was the thickest bulldog he had ever seen. He also said his hips looked really good. The Nemo female had good hips also just not as tight as the male. Its just a tool , I will not sacrifice a good Bulldog because it fails or in certain areas if there is something I can use to get the total package. I'm not that narrow and my experience has taught me many things about these bulldogs. You might just be passing something you wished later you hadn't.
We have lots to do today hope everyone has a great weekend.

--Previous Message--
: I've learned a lot about breeding dogs by talking to you. Since then I have took what
: I've learned from you and used it to check out the other breeders and there breeding
: programs. You are exactly right about what your saying. I have seen people that just
: breed all over the place and never have any consitancy and never know what's going
: to pop out. On the other hand I have seen breeders who have breed many gen on one
: line of dogs and bred tight on top of that. You can see there line of dogs a mile
: away and say without a doubt you know what breeder bred those dogs. That is called
: constancy, although the key is to get the right consitancy. Also after so long of
: breeding tight I've seen that there comes times when you start to lose size or
: something pops up you don't want or your lacking something. This is the time IMO you
: outcross to what you want but make sure it is another line of dogs that are bred
: tight too. Not something that is bred all over the place or your going to backpeddle
: and be trying to get your consitancy back for another 3 generations. So breed to
: something you need and make sure it's bred tight. Also when breeding tight I have
: learned, by talking to many breeders, that to rid your line of dogs of unwanted
: genes or phenotypic looks you have to breed tight to bring it to the forefront so
: you know what's there. After you find the unwanted qualities in your line, get rid
: of it by outcrossing to something, again tightly bred, that will better the unwanted
: quality or completely rid it. I am still learning but I am listening and reading
: books on this all the time. I know for a fact that any breed of dog that was ever
: developed and had any consistancy and became and breed all it's own had to be inbred
: and than linebred on those inbreedings. It's the only way to get consistancy. So for
: anyone feeling that it's wrong it's not. It's the only way. Not to mention you can
: save many gen of breedings by doing this right. Just be ready to cull a lot. Maybe
: most of the litter. This will also include keeping many dogs out of your breedings
: until adulthood to see how they turn out and whether they can be used. Just my two
: cents, I know there are some really knowledgable people out there so folks this is
: one of those subjects worth talking about. We can all help the bred by helping each
: other learn how to do it right.
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