Posted by Trung
on 2/1/2012, 3:15 am, in reply to "Why worry so much?"
110.175.228.247
If I decided that I like or dislike an album. Then there's nothing anyone can say that would change it. The only thing that would change my opinion is if I notice something in the music that I haven't previously perceived before or if I heard music done by another band in the same style but done better.
However, I am just interested in the development of rock and roll music and I don't want to be ignorant about it because music is my passion.
--Previous Message--
: i've come to the point, that if i like it, i
: like it
:
: who cares what others think? or what
: compartment it's in?
:
: i listen to stuff from The Gerogerigegege
: (hardcore noise grindcore) to Justin Bieber
: (you know what that is)
:
: --Previous Message--
: ahh, the topic was requesting a good book
: recommendation. Or was what you are talking
: about a book that specialises on Robert
: Johnson.
:
: I have a feeling that for me to get an
: overview over the technical development of
: rock music, I have to buy good books on
: numerous individual bands throughout rock
: history rather than one book that summarises
: it all.
:
: I guess the current frustration I have right
: now is that, sometimes listen to music (or
: even sometimes I write music) that I think
: sounds unique and original. However because
: I don't know the development of rock music,
: I can't say for sure whether it is original,
: revolutionary etc. I have question John
: Mcferrin in this forum about not using
: originality as a primary and major criteria
: for rating music. Although I do try and
: defend it, a part of me thinks that perhaps
: the reason why I am arguing this is because
: of my own ignorance of originality.
:
: An example, Midnight Oil album Head
: Injuries. To me that is one of the most
: unique albums I have ever listen to and I
: would like to call it a revolutionary album.
: Why? Because it merges post-punk music with
: hard rock. It's like imagining that Johnny
: Marr or Peter Buck or Robert Smith join
: AC/DC and they had a punkish lead singer.
: Where the songs alternates from jangly
: pop-ish intricate guitar playing, or even
: gothic like gloomy music and then launches
: in a fiery kick ass riffs and guitar solo.
: Sort of merges the anti-guitar hero and
: guitar hero style guitar playing so well (I
: personally give it a F in McFerrin scale as
: I think it just pure brilliance and there
: isn't another album in my music collection
: that sounds like that album)
:
: However, I never heard anyone describe that
: album as a landmark revolutionary album (not
: even Midnight Oil fans do that as I have a
: feeling that they like the band more for the
: politically orientated lyrics more than
: anything else). I don't know about the
: history of rock to say conclusively whether
: that is a revolutionary album as maybe
: someone has done it before and I never heard
: of it. Maybe someone has done it afterwards
: and therefore it is not as unique as I
: thought it was. I don't know.
:
: I guess, I would like to know more so I can
: make statements like that (I sort of wonder
: where does Starostin gets the information
: from when he boldly declares an album to be
: "revolutionary")
:
: I also feel it would help my songwriting to
: get a clearer idea of what has been done
: before, so I can have a stab of being
: "original"
: --Previous Message--
: I used to think "post-punk" as
: bass-driven with a monotonal beat myself,
: but that sub-genre covers a lot of ground,
: basically it was anything that flowed from
: the 1st wave of punk, and even includes funk
: elements and dub-reggae.
:
: As for "power pop", it basically
: just means anything that is catchy with
: simple chords, whilst the focus being mostly
: on guitars. And yes, lyrics do play a part,
: they're usually sappy love songs.
:
: I don't think wiki is all that incorrect
: over these two genres, and there's basically
: a lot of debate over them by music geeks.
:
: As for first "rock and roll
: artist", there's an even bigger debate
: - from Ike Turner to Louis Brown. I'd throw
: in my 2 cents and say Robert Johnson cos he
: fits the archetype.
:
: And if you want a technical discussion of
: Johnson's style, you need to buy a book, as
: none of that info will ever be given free.
:
: Hope I'm of help.
:
: K. Thx. Bai.
: --Previous Message--
: Wiki seems ok for a brief overview and the
: major artist of a particular genre but I'm
: guessing I'm looking for more specific
: technical innovation.
: Such as quoting Jonathan review of Robert
: Johnson "He also pioneered the entire
: idea of playing a bass line over the melody
: of the actual song, at the same time and on
: the same guitar as the actual song, and
: while singing at the same time as doing all
: of that"
:
: How would someone know that information
: without look up a specific biography of that
: artist itself (which in all honesty kind of
: defeats the purpose because I'm kind of
: looking for artist to discover).
:
: I also think that wiki goes to very little
: detail over the stylistic of a genre. Their
: definition of post-punk doesn't seem
: particularly satisfactory to me. Is it just
: introverted and experimental punk music?
:
: From my listening to bands who are
: considered post-punk, I concluded that those
: bands tend to have songs that are
: bass-driven and strong emphasis on the
: rhythm section and the guitar being used for
: more textural effects and that post-punk
: bands tends to have a singer-songwriter
: attitude (although not always).
:
: I'm not too sure if my conclusion matches
: with the official definition of that genre,
: nevertheless I don't see many genre
: definition goes into technical description
: of the music and who exactly was responsible
: for that development.
:
: ___
: It's interesting though reading the wiki
: about how there are no specific "first
: rock and roll song or artist". Yet
: Starostin boldly claim that little richard
: is the first rock and roll artist and I
: don't see little richard being quoted as
: even a nominee to th e first rock and roll
: artist in the wiki page.
:
:
: another curious thing, starostin was quoted
: in the rock music wiki "Starostin
: argues that most of what is traditionally
: called "power pop" falls i into
: the pop rock subgenre and that the lyrical
: content of pop rock is "normally
: secondary to the music."
:
: Now that I think about it but doesn't that
: definition of pop rock music seems weird.
: When I think about pop music, I generally
: don't associate the pop genre to be any more
: or less emphasis to lyrics as any other
: genre. I consider art rock and prog rock
: music to be more emphasis on the music than
: the lyrics whilst something like folk or
: singer-songwriter to be more focus on the
: lyrics.
: --Previous Message--
: just start with the generic "rock"
: label and work from there
:
: they have links to sources for further
: reading at the end of each subject
:
: --Previous Message--
: Despite learning a lot from reading some of
: these reviews site. I still feel like I'm
: still in a bit of a dark about the history
: and development of rock and roll and I still
: can't really pin point the various
: revolutionary and advancement of rock music
: beyond the basic well known events (such as
: Dylan going electric, Sgt. Peppers etc).
: Even in George Starostin website where he
: assigns album as "revolutionary",
: a lot of the times I still don't know why
: they were revolutionary (I still have no
: idea how the police somehow reinvent the
: structure of the pop song like George claim
: etc).
:
: I guess considering that one of the criteria
: of rating music that people bring up is
: "originality", even if I do one
: day decide to take major consideration in
: originality, I wouldn't be able to because I
: don't know what is original.
:
: So I'm hoping there would be some good
: resources for me to look up about the
: development of rock music. I did see the
: rolling stones "history" of rock
: music but considering that a lot of people
: reckon that they are hostile to prog rock, I
: didn't buy it.
:
: Also anything that recommends me more good
: music and albums would be great.
:
: Does anyone know any good books or even
: videos or documentaries that gives me a good
: overview.
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