Posted by Trung
on 7/19/2012, 4:28 pm, in reply to "I like 90's rock because it is a throwback of 60's/70's rock"
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: I grew up listening to 90's rock but all of
: the bands I listen to were direct successors
: of great 60's/70's and sometimes 80's group.
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: Radiohead - a mixture of U2/Roxy Music/Pink
: Floyd/Can
: Blur - The modern day kinks with a bit of
: Syd Barrett-ish influence. Later on
: incorporation with velvet underground-ish
: garage rock, punk and art rock to their
: sound.
: Oasis - The Beatles mix with 70's glam rock
: and a bit of Who-ish arena rock
: Bjork - A successor of Kate Bush. Although
: more avantgarde
: PJ Harvey - A successor of Patti Smith with
: a bit of Nick CAve influence. Taking John
: Lennon's plastic ono band album and making
: it even more dramatic
: Jeff Buckley - Follows the old fashion
: confessional singer-songwriter siprit with
: an operatic vocals
: Flaming Lips - Mixture of 60's psychedelic
: rock mix with punk music. Then incorporation
: of beach boy lush pop and prog rock
: influence in their later albums
: Pavement - Strong Velvet underground and REM
: influence
: Nirvana- Beatle-ish pop mix with punk
: attitude and a bit a Sabbath-ish guitar
: sounds and a confessional singer-songwriter
: mentality.
:
: To me that's what 90's rock mean to me. I
: have no idea what represents 90's rock to
: John McFerrin. It seems to me that 90's rock
: should have been a pretty good decade for
: anyone with retro bent.
:
: Now discovering John and George website
: helped me traced the influence of all the
: bands I grew up listening to (and probalby
: made me realise that they aren't as original
: that I thought it was). Nevertheless, even
: though nowadays where the time period of
: 1965-1975 is my favourite decade in rock
: music, I don't think I can really say that
: 90's music is a particularly bad decade in
: rock.
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: --Previous Message--
: I'm in my 20s and I loathe 90s rock, that's
: why I read John and George's site to begin
: with. :) I mean, I'm fairly sure that John
: only likes 90s rock in the context of some
: of it continuing the positive qualities that
: earlier music had, not because he likes the
: aesthetic of it per se.
:
: --Previous Message--
: I don't think that John being pro-ween could
: lose readers. It's the case that John
: admitting not caring about the development
: of rock music in the 90's and that Ween
: ignoring the 90's as a positive thing
: (although John openly admitted that in other
: reviews so most people who read that site
: would already know that about him).
:
: Really the 20-30 demographics would care
: alot about 90's rock because that's what
: they grow up listening to.
:
: I have to say I am one of those crowd who
: grew up listening to 90's rock music and
: enjoying it as well. I guess I have to give
: kudos to John who was able to articulate
: quite accurately the type of person who
: wouldn't like Ween.
:
: Similarly I'm one of those people who listen
: to Ween and just get a WTF reaction to it
: and absolutely confusion that people like
: this stuff (barring Mollusk, even then
: though I still get WTF reaction to stuff
: like Blarney stone and dick in the wind).
:
: Their diversity is admirable it's just that
: my taste isn't ecletic enough and they cover
: a lot of genre of music that I really don't
: care about. I mean, John mention that You
: ####ed up capture the spirit of Hardcore
: punk. Which sort of cements why I never
: listen to any hardcore punk album ever.
: Really I'm not that impress when they decide
: to be eclectic by doing sea-shanty songs or
: being ecletic by singing in helium voice or
: doing circus-like instrumental songs mix
: with bored spoken word about how this is a
: hiv song.
:
: Really I have no problem with humour in
: music, the thing is there's a difference
: between writing a song that is funny and
: writing a joke song. I much prefer humorous
: songs to be just songs with funny lyrics in
: there (like some of Dylan, Sparks, 10cc
: etc). Ween are like a caricature (I know
: that's the point but I don't like that
: point) and just seem to silly for me to
: care.
:
: It doesn't help that I'm one of those people
: who doesn't bother to read lyrics until long
: after I decide it's a good song. Write good
: music that is self-sufficient by itself and
: only then I pay attention to the lyrics. I
: really couldn't care less if Ween were
: genius satirist if their music doesn't
: captivate me.
:
: I don't particularly think their songs are
: particularly well written either. I don't
: find them emotional resonant at all (one of
: the things I don't get about George reviews
: was how he believes Ween were able to
: emulate emotional resonance). There isn't
: enough "epic", anthemic songs with
: an emotional climax to really be resonant
: (buckingham green is a key exception though
: and It is one of the alltime classic rock
: songs and one of the best songs of the
: 90's).
:
: Ween knows how to create catchy melodies
: (when they try but they don't always try)
: but the pop masters (beatles, kinks, rolling
: stones, Radiohead hell even Dylan) know how
: to create a sense of occasions to their
: melodies and when a chorus comes up, treat
: it as a special occasion, for one thing have
: the chorus distinctive to the verse and have
: appropriate build up to it (pre-chorus or
: even just an instrumental linkage). Normally
: have the chorus be the most melodic, the
: highest pitch, the most loudly sung, the
: most instrumentation part of the song and
: have instrumental build up to it. Ween
: chorus could be catchy but in general
: there's lack of sense of occasion to it and
: there really isn't anything distinguishing
: it from their verse (it's the same issue I
: have with Wilco). To me that's how i
: separate pop master to people who are just
: merely competent.
:
: Example. Baby Witch does not sound like
: "Idiot Wind" at all. For one thing
: Dylan knew how to create chorus that is
: distinctive and sets up chorus like it's a
: special occasion (usually he has a
: pre-chorus and instrumental build up and he
: belts out the chorus to contrast with the
: verse). Idiot wind has anthemic qualities,
: Baby Witch although catchy does not and
: mostly just meanders on with the verse and
: chorus basically interchangeable even if
: admittingly it is catchy (I do like the song
: but I can't say it's anything spectacular).
:
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: --Previous Message--
: Surely that view isn't prevalent amongst the
: male überwhite American middle-class nerdy
: 20-30 something's that I'd imagine dominate
: John's readership?
:
: --Previous Message--
: Because of the common anti-Ween view you
: yourself described in the intro.
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