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Re: Questionable actions of an AKC judge this weekend

Posted by cariston on 9/29/2009, 2:38 am, in reply to "Re: Questionable actions of an AKC judge this weekend"

Yes, I understand now. I hadnt read that in the AKC rules.. I was just more confused about it then anything because I hadnt heard of that before. Althought Mr Bivin noted that both testicles were in fact descended, one was slightly smaller than the other.

Cariston

--Previous Message--
: This is not the first time, or the first judge
: whom I've seen, or heard of, doing this. It
: isn't questionable and it's usually because
: the testicles are of different size. If
: one isn't descended, most
: owners/breeders/handlers will know that
: before going into the ring.
:
: It's not in the standard, but it IS in the
: AKC Rules Applying to Dog Shows.
:
: SECTION 8. A dog which is blind, deaf,
: castrated, spayed, or which has been changed
: in appearance by artificial means except as
: specified in the standard for its breed, or
: a male which does not have two normal
: testicles normally located in the scrotum,
: may not compete at any show and will be
: disqualified....
:
: When a judge finds any of these conditions
: in any
: dog he is judging, he shall disqualify the
: dog marking his book “Disqualified” and
: stating the reason. He shall not obtain the
: opinion of the show veterinarian.
:
: --Previous Message--
: I am very concerned about the decision that
: was made by a very recognizable AKC judge
: this weekend and thought I would address it
: before taking any actions against him
: through AKC or the kennel club..
:
: Mr Ed Bivin was the judge for sunday at the
: Van Nuys dogshow this weekend and I was
: showing a nice apricot male for a friend of
: a friend for the very first time.
:
: As Ed was examining the dog as
: "thorough" as he did, he noticed
: that one of this males testicles was a bit
: smaller than the other.. Everyone who was
: watching noticed and was wondering what was
: going on as I did. He told me VERY clearly
: that he wasnt sure if there was both
: testicles descended or if one was just
: slightly smaller that the other.
:
:
: Ed then told me " Ok lets do this, he
: may be abit nervous so Im gonna have you do
: a diagonal down and back and then align him
: up just as you are when you come back and I
: will re-evaluate him again.
:
:
: So I do a down and back and he decides to go
: over this dog's testicles again. Ed Bivin
: then says heres the problem. Im feeling
: that both testicles are descended but one is
: not the same size as the other and thats a
: problem.
:
: These are exactly Ed's words at this point
: in time. "IN THE STANDARD IT CLEARLY
: STATES THAT BOTH TESTICLES SHOULD BE
: DESCENDED AND THAT THEY BOTH SHOULD BE OF
: EQUAL SIZE OR MATCHING". BECAUSE OF
: THE DIFFERENT SIZES OF HIS TESTICLES, IM
: GOING TO HAVE TO DISQUALIFY YOU. IM SORRY
: BUT IT SAYS THIS CLEARLY IN THE
: STANDARD".
:
:
:
: Aside from being completely confused and
: humiliated in front of all spectators and
: the owners of this dog, I was beside
: myself.
:
:
: Outside of the ring I had one breeder and 2
: other people outside the ring including the
: owners feel the dogs testicles and look at a
: distance. It was clearly noticed that both
: testicles were descended but one WAS
: noticeably smaller.
:
:
: I am going to re read and re read and re
: read the standard but Im at least 90% sure
: that this was inappropriate actions for the
: judge to take..
:
:
: What should I do?
:
:
: How can a dog be disqualified for having one
: smaller testicle?
:
: I can understand Mr Bivin's concern for
: knowing that the purpose for showing is to
: showcase breeding stock and it can be a
: problem if testicles are not similar but I
: really dont think it says this anywhere in
: the standard, history or description in our
: breed..
:
: Again I will re read our standard and If I
: have to eat my words I certainly will, but I
: think I should have been just excused, not
: "DISQUALIFIED".
:
:
: Please give me advice on what I should do???
:
: I was told several times that the male I
: showed was nice and to tell the owners to
: show under a different judge next time.
:
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: Cariston
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