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"We have concluded that when the principle of racial division (i.e. phyletism) is juxtaposed with the teaching of the Gospel and the constant practice of the Church, it is not only foreign to it, but also completely opposed, to it. We decree the following in the Holy Spirit: 1. We reject and condemn racial division, that is, racial differences, national quarrels and disagreements in the Church of Christ, as being contrary to the teaching of the Gospel and the holy canons of our blessed fathers, on which the holy Church is established and which adorn human society and lead it to Divine piety. 2. In accordance with the holy canons, we proclaim that those who accept such division according to races and who dare to base on it hitherto unheard-of racial assemblies are foreign to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and are real schismatics." Constantinople...1872 * Pray and Work for Orthodox Unity in North America!!! * St. Andrew House announces Agreement to fund Orthodox Unity effort for years to come - see www.orthodoxdetroit.com * Welcome to the St. Andrew House Discussion Forum * Coming Soon - Orthodox Business Directory * Visit our Home Page at www.orthodoxdetroit.com

    Re: Obstinate Absurdity ...

    Posted by rjklancko Email on 7/29/2007, 8:29 am, in reply to "Obstinate Absurdity ... "

    this list is not all inclusive, there are many more who with a stroke of a pen can become part of this canonical group tomorrow

    Bishop Izaslav of the Byelorussians in America
    Bishop Chrysostomos of the Etna Greeks in Calif
    the three HOCNA Bishops with headquarters in Brookline
    The Kyvian Patriarch bishop
    the Russian Autonomous Bishop
    Bishop Gregory of Denver - former ROAC
    and there are others -- who unlike the 100+ quasi-canonicals who derive their lineages from truly suprious sources - those above and a few others came from canonical churches and had at onetime relationships with canonical churches

    this list does not include the retired bishops also

    so what do we have? the seeds for a dying church --- why is our competition do better than us -- they are Christian Americans and this is what they embody ---- we are Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Serbian Orthodox ---- why we do not even acknowledge that we are Christian yet alone being American ---- for this I must blame ourselves --- "we have found the enemy and it is us" ---- as for myself I am in favor of a Christian American Orthodox church ---- we must not forget that we are Christians, we are Americans, and then we are Orthodox ---- for how can we be Orthodox if we are not Christian first --- the Ortho did not come to save us but the Christ did, the gosepls do not speak of Ortho but they do speak of Christ.

    so instead of saying this is they way the Orthodox do it, we should be saying this is the way that Christians do it --- we are acting like sects designed to attract the lunatic fringe than a true church carrying out the teachings of Jesus --- amen.


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