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"We have concluded that when the principle of phyletism (i.e. ecclesiastical nationalism) is juxtaposed with the teaching of the Gospel and the constant practice of the Church, it is not only foreign to it, but also completely opposed, to it. We decree the following in the Holy Spirit: 1. We reject and condemn racial division, that is, racial differences, national quarrels and disagreements in the Church of Christ, as being contrary to the teaching of the Gospel and the holy canons of our blessed fathers, on which the holy Church is established and which adorn human society and lead it to Divine piety. 2. In accordance with the holy canons, we proclaim that those who accept such division according to races and who dare to base on it hitherto unheard-of racial assemblies are foreign to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and are real schismatics." Constantinople...1872
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    Re: Pre-Conciliar Consultation

    Posted by David Adrian on 6/9/2009, 12:43 am, in reply to "Re: Pre-Conciliar Consultation "

    Al:

    You make my case. If you want a Greek parish complete with a Greek Typicon, of course you're choice is limited to GOA parish. I.e., as I told Tom, in the absence of any hard data, my guess is that most American Orthodox who fall under the jurisdiction of a foreign patriarch accept his rule passively, not actively.

    I haven't seen or heard +Jonah's statement, so I can't knowledgeably comment on it. In response to your and Tom's comments, however, I offer the 1981 remarks of the Very Rev. Leonidas C. Contos, as quoted by the AOI Blog at http://www.aoiusa.org/blog/:

    "For so long as we are conditioned, in our polity and in our cultural life, by the diaspora complex, however subconsciously, we will be inhibited in the fullest realization of our ‘church-hood.’ More importantly, so long as we are perceived from without as a diaspora—a branch, an offshoot, a transplant, an emigration—by the Mother Church (and, if the truth be told, by the Mother Country), our maturity will never be acknowledged; our uniquely formed destiny in the West, never adequately comprehended; our freedom to shape our future as the Orthodox Church in this hemisphere, never fully realized."

    As a public relations consultant, as well as a convert to Orthodoxy with no ethnic skin in the game, I say, in the ineffable words of Rodger O. Riney, CEO of Scottrade, Inc., "Rodger that!"

    Personally, I would hate to arrive at the Pearly Gates bearing responsibility for this state of affairs. I can just hear St. Peter saying, "David, you've got a lot of 'splaining to do!"

    David


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