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"We have concluded that when the principle of phyletism (i.e. ecclesiastical nationalism) is juxtaposed with the teaching of the Gospel and the constant practice of the Church, it is not only foreign to it, but also completely opposed, to it. We decree the following in the Holy Spirit: 1. We reject and condemn racial division, that is, racial differences, national quarrels and disagreements in the Church of Christ, as being contrary to the teaching of the Gospel and the holy canons of our blessed fathers, on which the holy Church is established and which adorn human society and lead it to Divine piety. 2. In accordance with the holy canons, we proclaim that those who accept such division according to races and who dare to base on it hitherto unheard-of racial assemblies are foreign to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and are real schismatics." Constantinople...1872
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    Re: ECC tangent

    Posted by rjklancko on 9/8/2009, 4:04 pm, in reply to "Re: ECC tangent"

    Boy oh boy, what a can of worms ---as i experieced it being from a family that in galicia called themselves pravoslavnie - orthodox - but were uniate and did not discover this until they came to the usa and then became pravoslavnie - orthodox

    these immigrants were russian orthodox or ukrainian catholic or ruthenian catholic according to which phase the moon was in -- then there were families that were stauchly split - the father and sons went to the orthodox church and the mothers and daughters to the uniate church or vice versa

    then there were rivalries when the orthodox had a dance, the uniates came and broke it up and when the uniates had a dance the orthodox came and broke it up

    oh are we speaking about christians here?????

    now as i see it, the unia was a great experiment to recapture what was lost in 1054 - an experiment that essentialy has failed. here in the usa the cards were stack to favor the latins and they essentially have won. the eastern catholics in the usa are not really growing and any growth what so ever is due to immigration. their hey day was the 1940' and 1950's and even then if they married a latin there was pressure to become latin and not become eastern

    yes there is a duplicity of bishoprics however i believe the latins consider this a short term situation better to be just tolerated for in another 50 years everyone will either be latin or will have joined the orthodox church

    on the other hand the orthodox do have the western rite - which sorely needs its own dedicated bishop and needs the various factions to be unified ( orthodox unifying - now there is a unique concept - better get the ice saws ready if this acutally occurs)

    i know that my latin catholic and easter catholic brethern most likely will take exception to what this orthodox catholic has said, but these are my perception and what i see from the research i am doing - of course many of the scenerios are much more comples than i have portrayed them

    the tragedy is that the history of both the eastern catholics and eastern orthodox catholics needs to be carefully recorded - for example here in ct we have 71 eastern catholic, eastern orthodox catholic, and non chalcedon churches - and in the past 100 years 25 have closed their doors - their records are sparce

    have a great day -


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