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    Re: Vatican in Bold Bid to Attract Anglicans

    Posted by Al on 10/23/2009, 12:53 pm, in reply to "Re: Vatican in Bold Bid to Attract Anglicans"

    The "Ordinatiate" will be similar to the Byzantine Rite dioceses in Latin Rite countries, if I remember my RC education of four decades ago. No big problem, on paper. Somewhat like the non-territorial ethnic dioceses of the OCA, but with some more significantly profound variation from the local diocese

    Where the Anglican Ordinariate will differ from the Byzantine Rite is that married clergy will be allowed in the "West", whereas the agreement with the Byzantines is that they cannot have married clergy outside of the "home countries" of the Unia.

    I would also imagine that there will be barriers to "rite jumping" for clergy and laity alike, just as there are between the Latin and Byzantine Rite, as different interpretations are held by the two rites. E.g., one can not jump from Latin to Byzantine rite to take advantage of the more Orthodox approach to remarriage. I would expect the Anglican Ordinariate to be allowed to retain some practices of Church order in a similar manner.

    Now, I reiterate that much has changed in Rome in the 4 decades since I was received into Orthodoxy, but I have several friends in the RC clergy and episcopacy and we have discussed issues such as this over the years. Not the Anglican question, but similar ones. There are a lot more "exceptions" in the Roman Church than most of us would be led to believe. They are just not as willing to discuss "economia" as we are.

    My humble opinion is that this offer will be very similar in nature to that allowed the Uniates, and in some issues, such as married clergy as mentioned above, even more generous.


    Al
    Paros Island, Greece

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