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"We have concluded that when the principle of phyletism (i.e. ecclesiastical nationalism) is juxtaposed with the teaching of the Gospel and the constant practice of the Church, it is not only foreign to it, but also completely opposed, to it. We decree the following in the Holy Spirit: 1. We reject and condemn racial division, that is, racial differences, national quarrels and disagreements in the Church of Christ, as being contrary to the teaching of the Gospel and the holy canons of our blessed fathers, on which the holy Church is established and which adorn human society and lead it to Divine piety. 2. In accordance with the holy canons, we proclaim that those who accept such division according to races and who dare to base on it hitherto unheard-of racial assemblies are foreign to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and are real schismatics."
Re: Greek Orthodox Christians renew calls for Arabising Church Leadership
Posted by Dean Calvert on 6/8/2011, 3:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Greek Orthodox Christians renew calls for Arabising Church Leadership"
Re: His points do not contradict mine, though they seem to copntradict (sic) your premise of Orthodox Churches being set up along national boundaries.
His Eminence says - "...we should rather speak of the one Catholic, Orthodox church IN Greece, IN Russia, IN Rumania, IN France, Britain or America.”
The reason I posted this was that I remembered Met. Kallistos having referenced Orthodox churches in each of the separate nations. You said "To agree with his point you would have to be saying:
Patriarch of Paris and all France, Patriarch of London and all England, Patriarch of Berlin and all Germany, Patriarch of Johannesberg and all South Africa... "
His Eminence said we should indeed speak of the Orthodox Church in France, in England, etc.
How is that NOT contradicting what you are suggesting?
BTW - you do realize that you are actually even contradicting yourself when you state "Ecclesiastical borders cross national borders" and then hold out the ancient patriarchates as examples?
You do realize that the ancient patriarchates had boundaries which were all WITHIN the Roman Empire (i.e. the nation)...right?