Posted by Tom Kanelos
on 6/12/2011, 6:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Greek Orthodox Christians renew calls for Arabising Church Leadership"
Yes that is what I said and I was (again) explaining to rj that in order to agree with you, he would have to mean as is quoted above.
Further, by 476, the only reamining part of the western empire was the Italian Peninsula, About 20% of present day France, a liver of North Africa, the Dalmatian coast. Though the rest was outside the empire they were still under the then Orthodox Pope of Rome. I'd say that was pretty early.
Further as the empire (eastern) borders went back and forth (as you knoe it did substantially over the course of 1100 years) there were continuously areas which were under the jurisdictions of the ancient patriarchates and not within the borders of the empire.
Today, no one seriopusly questions the legitimacy of the jurisdictions of the ancient patriarchates as being acros national borders (except apparently, you). It was that way from ancient times and as modern nation states developed in the jurisdictions of Antioch, Alexandria and Jerusalem, that fact did not change. Only in eastern eurpoe, for political reasons, not ecclesisatical ones were the national churches born. Again, those are facts.
Warmest regards,
Tom K
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