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Re: Yes, Mark Curtis made that point in Web of Deceit, didn't he?

Posted by David Wearing on November 1, 2009, 1:23 am, in reply to "Yes, Mark Curtis made that point in Web of Deceit, didn't he?"

Here Mark is, writing for the corporate media without criticising it
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/sep/24/norway-ethical-oil-environment-arms
and again
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/oct/26/iraq.military

Two excellent articles there. Especially the second. Is it really credible to argue that they did more harm than good?

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:
: --Previous Message--
: Anther point for reflection. When you think
: about, say, unemployment or the NHS, people
: get a lot of information first-hand through
: their own experience and the experience of
: friends and family. But when it comes to
: foreign policy, what we know is almost
: entirely gleaned from media of various kinds
: - what we consider 'our' understanding is
: very much a media construct. So the media is
: a part of the story to a far greater extent
: than some other issues. Another reason why
: it jars when leftist media analysts make no
: mention at all of the media in mainstream
: articles on foreign policy.
:
: Eds
:
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: I read the long thread regarding David’s
: article with interest. It seems to me that
: an obvious point should be made – that it
: is good to publish these sorts of articles
: in the MSM, and more radical (less
: constrained) comments should be advanced in
: alternative sources, such as here. One
: problem with rejecting MSM outright is that
: it means we are largely preaching to the
: converted (as pointed out near the end of
: the thread). We will be in a world where
: 99% of the world get one world view, and
: that a rich and dissenting point of view
: will be found only by a small minority. But
: there is another thing that might be worth
: considering. That is, it is hard for many
: people to be confronted with Chomsky or
: medialens without some “softer”
: intr
:

David Wearing
http://www.democratsdiary.co.uk

Responses:

Re: Yes, Mark Curtis made that point in Web of Deceit, didn't he? - The Editors November 1, 2009, 11:19 am
- Re: Yes, Mark Curtis made that point in Web of Deceit, didn't he? - David Wearing November 1, 2009, 12:06 pm
- Re: Yes, Mark Curtis made that point in Web of Deceit, didn't he? - dan November 1, 2009, 12:12 pm
  - thanks, Dan (nm) - David Wearing November 1, 2009, 3:58 pm
    - Just before we draw the line under this - John Hilley November 1, 2009, 8:26 pm
      - Re: Just before we draw the line under this - walter November 1, 2009, 10:52 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - noamsampy November 2, 2009, 8:01 am
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - walter November 2, 2009, 11:59 am
      - Would anyone here want to write for a paper that continually told us that black people are... - JK November 2, 2009, 7:34 am
        
        Re: Would anyone here want to write for a paper that continually told us that black people are... - walter November 2, 2009, 2:09 pm
        
        Re: Would anyone here want to write for a paper that continually told us that black people are... - noamswampy November 2, 2009, 2:35 pm
        
        Re: Would anyone here want to write for a paper that continually told us that black people are... - walter November 2, 2009, 3:38 pm
        
        Re: Would anyone here want to write for a paper that continually told us that black people are... - noamswampy November 3, 2009, 8:13 am
        
        Re: Would anyone here want to write for a paper that ... - walter November 3, 2009, 6:33 pm
        
        Re: Would anyone here want to write for a paper that ... - dereklane November 3, 2009, 8:31 pm
        
        Re: Would anyone here want to write for a paper that ... - walter November 3, 2009, 9:22 pm
        
        Re: Would anyone here want to write for a paper that ... - dereklane November 3, 2009, 11:23 pm
      - Re: Just before we draw the line under this - David Wearing November 2, 2009, 7:35 am
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - dereklane November 2, 2009, 11:10 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - walter November 3, 2009, 12:57 am
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - David Wearing November 3, 2009, 7:03 am
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - walter November 3, 2009, 10:43 am
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - dereklane November 3, 2009, 8:42 am
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - noamsampy November 3, 2009, 10:34 am
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - walter November 3, 2009, 1:45 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - dereklane November 3, 2009, 2:16 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - dereklane November 3, 2009, 2:23 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - walter November 3, 2009, 2:18 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - dereklane November 3, 2009, 2:33 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - walter November 3, 2009, 9:59 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - dereklane November 3, 2009, 11:19 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - walter November 4, 2009, 2:47 am
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - dereklane November 4, 2009, 9:29 am
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - dereklane November 4, 2009, 9:56 am
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - walter November 4, 2009, 1:08 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - dereklane November 4, 2009, 1:29 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - walter November 4, 2009, 2:19 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - dereklane November 4, 2009, 3:27 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - walter November 4, 2009, 5:44 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - dereklane November 4, 2009, 9:40 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - walter November 5, 2009, 4:01 am
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - dereklane November 5, 2009, 9:46 am
        
        Re - walter November 5, 2009, 5:01 pm
        
        Re - walter November 5, 2009, 5:13 pm
        
        Re: Re - dereklane November 5, 2009, 8:49 pm
        
        Re: Re - walter November 6, 2009, 2:47 am
        
        Re: - walter November 6, 2009, 2:49 am
        
        Re: - walter November 4, 2009, 12:54 pm
        
        Re: - dereklane November 4, 2009, 2:01 pm
        
        Re: - walter November 4, 2009, 7:45 pm
        
        Re: - dereklane November 4, 2009, 10:02 pm
        
        Re: - walter November 5, 2009, 1:51 pm
        
        Re: - dereklane November 5, 2009, 4:16 pm
        
        Re: Just before we draw the line under this - David Wearing November 3, 2009, 6:40 am
        
        Good call David - and well done on the great piece. No 'guilt' necessary NM - MC November 3, 2009, 1:54 pm
        
        Thanks, MC. None felt (nm) - David Wearing November 3, 2009, 2:32 pm

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--Previous Message-- : Here Mark is, writing for the corporate media : without criticising it : : http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/sep/24/norway-ethical-oil-environment-arms : and again : : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/oct/26/iraq.military : : Two excellent articles there. Especially the : second. Is it really credible to argue that : they did more harm than good? : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : Anther point for reflection. When you think : about, say, unemployment or the NHS, people : get a lot of information first-hand through : their own experience and the experience of : friends and family. But when it comes to : foreign policy, what we know is almost : entirely gleaned from media of various kinds : - what we consider 'our' understanding is : very much a media construct. So the media is : a part of the story to a far greater extent : than some other issues. Another reason why : it jars when leftist media analysts make no : mention at all of the media in mainstream : articles on foreign policy. : : Eds : : : : --Previous Message-- : I read the long thread regarding David’s : article with interest. It seems to me that : an obvious point should be made – that it : is good to publish these sorts of articles : in the MSM, and more radical (less : constrained) comments should be advanced in : alternative sources, such as here. One : problem with rejecting MSM outright is that : it means we are largely preaching to the : converted (as pointed out near the end of : the thread). We will be in a world where : 99% of the world get one world view, and : that a rich and dissenting point of view : will be found only by a small minority. But : there is another thing that might be worth : considering. That is, it is hard for many : people to be confronted with Chomsky or : medialens without some “softer” : intr : : :

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