Ta, Ed. Yes, what else to say of Connolly? And great responses there, SamF (nom)
Posted by John Hilley on July 7, 2014, 10:52 am, in reply to "Re: Israel's purging of Palestinian children - don't mention The Occupation"
: Nice work John. You could almost be talking
: about the Observer editorial in your piece,
: did you see it? Has the same references to
: an 'intractable' conflict without mentioning
: the word 'occupation' once; it fails to give
: any sense of the superior power held by
: Israel and it refers to the uniquely
: horrifying nature of recent events due to
: the fact that the victims were so
: 'ordinary'. It's almost like the media are
: following some sort of script.
: I left the following comment fwiw -
: What a barmy editorial this is, managing to
: discuss this subject without once mentioning
: the word 'occupation' or give any indication
: that the balance of power in this 'conflict'
: tilts strongly in Israel's favour.
: The intractability of the conflict
: defied the best peacemaking efforts of a
: string of presidents, prime ministers and
: diplomats, from Jimmy Carter and Bill
: Clinton to, more recently, Tony Blair and
: John Kerry.
: Is this an attempt at humour, Tony Blair-
: The so-called 'intractability' of the
: conflict primarily results from the fact
: that the Israeli government persistlently
: shows no willingness to withdraw to the 1967
: borders, rather it seems intent on
: approproating as much of the Palestinian;s
: desirable land as possible. The 'best
: peacemaking efforts' of the above mentioned
: gurus of peace did not include threatening
: to withdraw the financial, political and
: military support that's routinely given to
: Israel, unless it stopped ignoring the
: Palestinian's right to live freely on their
: own land.
: Another is the destabilising
: willingness, now thankfully on the wane, of
: western powers to intervene directly and
: indirectly, and sometimes militarily, in
: Arab countries in the name of democracy and
: strategic self-interest.
: Haha, good one, even better than the earlier
: joke about Tony Blair. I really like the dry
: sense of humour in this article.
: The unusually horrific murders of four
: young men in Hebron and Jerusalem... have
: thus gone a long way to reminding a
: distracted international community that
: Israel-Palestine remains an extremely
: dangerous, potentially explosive, and
: globally significant conflict that is
: ignored, or sidelined, at one's peril.
: Naftali Frenkel, Gilad Shaar and Eyal
: Yifrach... were ordinary kids. So, too, was
: Mohamed Abu Khudeir... Yet it was this very
: ordinariness that helped make their murders
: so utterly repulsive – and alarming.
: So the editorial is arguing that these 4
: deaths are so 'unusually horrific' because
: the victims are so 'ordinary'. Is this
: opposed to the 1,500 or so Palestinian
: children that have been killed in the last
: 13 years or so? What made them so
: exceptional(?) that their deaths were not
: worthy of such scorn and repulsion?
: And while there is no justification for the
: murders of the three Israeli children, is it
: really so ordinary to be living on land that
: as part of an illegal military occupation? I
: would have thought that fact would be worthy
: of mention.
: Are these two communities, Israeli and
: Arab, Jew and Muslim, so irreversibly
: opposed, so very far apart, so united in
: their mutual, unquenchable enmity and so
: lost to decency that the deliberate,
: premeditated, random killing of children has
: somehow become acceptable? Reassuringly, the
: answer, from the vast majority of people on
: both sides of the divide, appears to be a
: resounding "no".
: What about all the other deaths caused by
: Israeli snipers and bombs? Do they not count
: as premeditated murders? Or they are ok
: because the victims lack the appropriate
: level of ordinariness?
: At one time, an atrocity of the kind
: committed against the three Israeli
: teenagers would have brought swift, lethal
: and probably disproportionate Israel
: retribution, amounting to collective
: Surely arresting 500 people, demolishing
: people's homes and causing the deaths of
: 7(?) people including minors counts as
: disproportionate and as collective
: punishment. Do Hamas/Fatah get to arrest 500
: Israeli's and demolish some homes and kill
: some people as well, in response to Israel's
: Efforts to paint Netanyahu as a master of
: restraint and as a mature statesman??? Wow.
: Like Netanyahu, Abbas knows that the
: relative stability and calm in Israel and
: the West Bank over recent months,
: notwithstanding the collapse of the
: American-led peace process, is their most
: valuable joint achievement.
: Stability and calm for Israelis maybe but
: not for the Palestinians constantly living
: under a military occupation.
: It seems that if Palestinians don't resist
: the illegal occupation the international
: media don't cover their suffering and Israel
: dosn't show any inclination to end it. If
: Palestinians do resist then Israel responds
: with disproportionate force and the
: international media cry out for a return to
: the status quo of Palestinians living
: passively under an illegal military
: occupation and a continuation of the 'peace
: process'. How about calling for Israel to
: end the illegal occupation?
: And if a nuclear deal with Tehran helps
: deflate the region-wide Sunni-Shia conflict,
: so much the better.
: Can anyone explain the logic here? I don't