Posted by Steve (Billy Steven Crider) on February 16, 2008, 5:35 pm, in reply to "Re: A summation...David Koresh on Jonah Pt. 4"
Class: No.
David: No, he didn't. But the light that he had was the light that he
followed for that time. Luther died. What did he die of?
Class: Overeating.
David: Overeating. He didn't know how to regulate his mouth, did he. That
had not yet been given to him yet huh? Back in those days when you used to
be sick, do you know what they prescribed to you? Food! You got a bellyache
you need to eat some food. Any kind of pain in the stomach was you were
hungry. Dark days in those days. Nevertheles when Luther died the voice of
inspiration died in the Lutheran Church - but did God leave the Lutheran
Church alone?
Class: No.
David: Did God ever leave Israel alone throughout all those thousands of
years? Did God {?} for Israel? Never. Has God ever left his church alone?
Class: No.
David: Yes! For a period of time - for a period of time. But the prophets
had foretold that God would again let His light shine. Luther was the
beginning of that light. Here comes John Knox, thus saith the Lord. He
comes to his brethren. His brethren forsake him, and kick him out. Of
necessity, the just shall live by faith. But what was John Knox's message?
Class: You must be born again.
David: By what agency?
Class: The Holy Spirit.
David: Faith without the experience of the spirit, that is, the trust in
God's word proclaimed by God. That's the only spirit you want. It was the
spirit of God, the one who speaks the word of God. There are many spirits -
many spirits, but those spirits are not backed up by God's testimony. Today
we have many feelings. Satan has triumphed by getting men to react upon
feeling. Feeling is not spirit. God does not move men by feelings. You can
watch Pinochio when he becomes a little boy. You can get feelings. You can
sit and watch Christmas shows. God did not ordain Christmas - Rome did.
It's not a truth of God, it's a truth of Rome which is a lie in God's
sight. You can have all kind of mixed emotions, and people say now because
it's good it must be of God. That's not what the Bible teaches. Jonah did
not feel good about going and proclaiming the message to Nineveh. John
Knoxs' efforts were to show the church of Christ, those who had an ear to
hear, that the working of God's spirit could be only based on the testimony
of God's own word. What was not written was not the spirit of God. Did the
majority of Lutherans accept?
Class: No.
David: No, they thought that faith in God was just faith in God, and so
therefore they practiced many of their own habits, and yet had faith in
something they couldn't see. Before, they had faith in things they could
see - Catholicism - the ceremonies and rituals of man, but now they went
overboard in the other direction. But now - God now was to wink at their
ignorance no longer. What saith the word? What saith God? What spirit
harmonizes with that spirit of God's word? That's what faith by the spirit
was to be - essential. Now after John Knox - of which the start of what
denomination?
Class: Presbyterian.
David: How come the Lutherans didn't become Presbyterians? Because they
kicked John Knox out, didn't they? And there had to be a necessity of new
name hadn't there. Didn't God change the names of Judaism over to
Christianity? And now the Lutheran Christians - after now - become
Presbyterian Christians - if they want to take on with the new ray on
light, right? Wesly is the next reformer after John Knox. He comes with a
prophetic message. What does he believe in? He believes in justification by
faith through the spirit - that is the testimony of God. But many who were
aware of God's word, the spirit of God, were not really consistently
keeping what God's word had to say. They were falling many times. But
nevertheless, found in this word by Wesly was a doctrine that the just
shall live by faith and not of themselves, right? It's a gift of God -
God's word. And were saved by -
Class: Grace.
David: Grace. We may approve the things of God. We may see them clearly,
and understand God's word, but does that mean we're going to keep it
consistently?
Class: No.
David: No, so the effort and struggle of the human agent to take the body
and place it in submission to the will of God as revealed by the word -
that was the message of Wesly. Grace in that in your effort to conform by
the testimony of God, there is sufficient grace for you. Was not Paul the
Apostle a great workman for God? Paul talks about the thorn in his flesh
doesn't he? Where's that found Steve?
Steve: Ah -
David: Ah - ha!
Steve: Corinthians - let's see.
David: Is it in Timothy?
Steve: Yes.
David: The messenger of Satan to buffet him. Wicked conscience huh? And he
prayed to the Lord three times that this might be taken away from him. But
what did the Lord tell Paul?
Class: My grace is sufficient for you.
David: My grace is sufficient for you. Ok. I mean - we can't all be perfect
every day can we? Ok. Now did the Presbyterians accept Wesly when he came
with his message?
Class: No.
David: No. So again of necessity - the Presbyterians who wanted to believe
in Luther's faith and in John Knox's faith based upon only the word of God;
if they were to believe in Wesly's faith their brethren would kick them out
- and what denomination did this become? Huh?
Class: Methodist.
David: Methodist. Now why do you think the Methodists had to finally become
the Baptists, and the Baptists become the Adventists, and the Adventists
become the Seventh-Day-Adventists, and the Seventh-Day - Adventists become
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