I'm no longer in the mastiff world, especially showing. Once in a while I read what certain breeders say about their stud dog and almost get ill with their total lies about their sizes and conformation. We showed our Harley with some of those "huge" "perfect" mastiffs of theirs and watched Harley tower over their small mastiffs, to include kicking their butts in the ring, but to hear them now they were monsters! What a complete joke those breeders are. But anything goes when selling pups I guess...

Thanks goodness we no longer have to listen to their BS! Those that do, only get banned and deleted when they question their bs, those type are bad for puppy sales you know!