Posted by ABU Man on 22/5/2012, 11:59 am 222.152.253.X
How can the NZACA better serve member clubs & individuals?
Re: NZACA
Posted by Hangler on 22/5/2012, 5:53 pm, in reply to "NZACA"
How can the NZACA better serve member clubs & individuals?
By having area representatives who are able to turn up at large competitions, tournaments and occasionally at club meetings: this to put over the NZACA message. Like it or not, probably 90% of anglers have no idea of the organisations existence, their aims or their policies. This is much in line with the point that 90% of anglers do not belong to clubs.
'Ascertain why anglers are so apathetic toward joining clubs and you may just mount the first rung of the ladder to stronger, better supported clubs and anglers as a whole having a body that truly represents their voice.
There are many ways/methods of recreational fishing and taking fish, there is also dreadful antipathy as to whom should do what; condemnation of long line fishing, which is often very evident on this message board. It matters not whether the angler chooses to catch his fish with a rod, kite, kontiki or torpedo, they are all anglers who should by right have a collective voice. They fish by the same rules regarding the allowable catch and size limits, why shouldn't the NZACA serve them all?
I might add should this ever come about, the 'unity is strength' scenario will kick in, and we may just get a minister of fisheries who will listen to an organisation with a considerably larger following.
In most sports joining a national body is commonplace ... why not with angling?
You asked the question, well those are my thoughts.
Re: NZACA
Posted by ABU Man on 23/5/2012, 9:53 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 222.152.253.X
A very well constructed reply, I hope there are more fisho's that will add to this thread. If they do, we may be able to get the NZACA and the Clubs that we all want. I also agree that apathy of Fishing Clubs' both within the Clubs and without is a major problem. My Club is working hard to create an organisation that fisho's say they want but the members themselves only want to take what is on offer without making any effort to put anything back.
Cheers
Re: NZACA
Posted by racepics on 23/5/2012, 10:15 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 203.97.201.X
Re getting regular anglers to join a club:
From a non-club person's point of view, I ask what's in it for me? What benefit do I/others get from joining a club? There are things such as knowledge, or tips and tricks I guess. But most of that info can be found as well from books or forums like this.
I would suggest many are not interested on the competitions side of things. They fish for pleasure, or for the table.
If you subtract the competition side of fishing, what does being a member of a club offer?
The one good reason I can see has been mentioned above. A unified voice with which to lean on gov't officials.
Posted by Hangler on 23/5/2012, 11:14 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 125.237.50.X
Racepics, you have correctly taken the meaning behind my suggestions. The NZACA have reasonably close ties with clubs (it could be better) but they do nothing to put themselves before the angler who fishes for pleasure and the table, in other words the great majority.
I do not belong to a club: at close to seventy years of age the travel and long hours fishing, especially overnight hold no appeal. However, in my time I have put a lot into the sport and done so quite happily through writing columns in magazines and the press. I don't run down those who fish with long lines, in fact on occasions I happily participate in this style of fishing myself.
Those who fish from the surf, including those with high profiles, tend to portray surf-casting as an elitist sport, looking down and forever questioning and complaining about the methods of others: this is totally wrong. What others do for their pleasure should not draw condemnation providing they are acting within the letter of our amateur catch laws.
The NZACA could and should make far more effort to introduce their profile and aims to the general public, this may just encourage those who have no interest in clubs to join their ranks. There only needs to be a very nominal joining fee as news letters and items of interest can be distributed by E-mail, just as Fish and Game do with their regular updates. It should be noted there is (or was) a New Zealand Kite Fishing Club, why isn't this this under the umbrella of the NZACA?
What does a club offer? I do believe you have missed an of item from your list: camaraderie. Even now some anglers are secretive, still writing about the great time they had at spot X, understandable perhaps but this does give the impression of a clique, those in the know, not desirable when trying to attract new members.
Re: NZACA
Posted by jaypeegee on 23/5/2012, 3:37 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 129.223.99.X
The camaraderie aspect is valuable: It is what is causing me to think of joining my local club. The networking also: It seems that fishing with others is a valuable safety aspect given that there is always danger being near to the ocean.
But I think that fisher folk will become more aware of the importance of being secretive to protect their spots given the impact that the internet has on exposing a producing spot: Yes this can be mitigated, But to mention a spot to someone can allow that person who may not hold the same degree of protection in mind to release that info, And once released the box is opened and the overfishing occurs. A reason that I will almost always obfuscate my info.
I'm not sure that I see the same elitist attitudes from the high profilers Hangler: Although I am blissfully unaware of cobntext and agenda 90% of the time. I have been given some good (albeit generic) advice from people here and on other forums directly and indirectly. But the amount of generousity shown with this knowledge has driven me to think more deeply about what it is I do and why I do it.
At the end of the day the NZACA can only do so much and because the "sport" of fishing is fairly adhoc and largely populated by individualistic personalities I imagine that organising folk that fish is akin to herding cats or butterfly's.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Hangler on 23/5/2012, 8:49 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 125.237.50.X
Thank you for your reply Jaypeegee, I will try to elaborate for understanding. First may I suggest a positive way the NZACA can raise its profile to the angler, a simple step that would incorporate awareness to all.
I would imagine that all surfcasting clubs run an annual tournament, this for a fund raising activity. It's generally clubs who are most concerned at strengthening the viability and workability of the governing body. If the clubs are really serious on this issue why not make it a condition of entering these large tournaments, you must be a member of the NZACA, either an individual membership or through a club membership? This is a simple, cost effective suggestion with the benefit of attracting many more members to the NZACA and possibly clubs.
Elitist attitudes. may I suggest you read back on the many criticisms voiced on this message board regarding people who chose kites, kontikis or torpedoes for their fishing pleasure. Many angers who fish only with a rod and line openly voice their distain at those who chose other methods. There are widely imaginative claims these people drag in limit bags every time they set a line from the beach ... utter rubbish. Yes there are times when a line retrieved will bring in a reasonable catch, but these times are few and far between.
There is criticism these people use twenty-five hooks ... not let's just break for a truce on that one. Watch the Kahawhai spinning brigade standing shoulder to shoulder casting at Awatoto, they are having a cast at approximate once every a minute ... sixty cast an hour. Now that is two and a half times the amount of hooks an hour a long liner is using and that is the average time it takes to make and retrieve a set. What right have those who fish with a rod got to put a long line fisherman down? ... None. Some surfcasters believe their method is the only acceptable way of taking fish and frown on others. Why frown on those who use a torpedo? I suggest a quick look at the pictures in the NZ Fishing news will quickly dispel that myth, there are always pictures of rod anglers, usually in boats with a box load of fish, far more than the average long line from shore will return, especially in the Hawke's Bay area.
Right let's step into the competition or tournament area. Most of those participating will take every fish they catch as it may be in the prizes. Under normal fishing conditions many of those fish would have been returned alive. Isn't this detrimental to the fish stock on those beaches?
Sorry I have digressed from the original subject but I have answered the question and made a positive suggestion, and I believe that is what the topic's author was seeking.
Re: NZACA
Posted by JamesHB on 23/5/2012, 10:03 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 203.173.207.X
Hangler,
Firstly are you a member of the NZACA? If not, why not?
Ok if you ran a comp as you suggested by only allowing NZACA members to go in them then you would probably run out of clubs due to them folding because of the lack of funds to run their clubs.
Surfcasters being "elitist"?? We are and alot of us are extremely proud of it. Our chosen way of fishing has by far more skill involved than some other ways of fishing.
As to longlines, you have a look back and actually read what was said. Its been said and we all thought it was finished with.......A LONG TIME AGO!!!
Stop digging, put away the shovel and drop the poo. No flinging on this forum.
ABU Man,
I honestly feel that alot of the gripes and groans were/have been sorted out and after the success of the last nationals I believe the NZACA is on the right path. I think it is also on us to ask more of them to help steer our organisation the direction we want.
Re: NZACA
Posted by GaryK on 24/5/2012, 8:54 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 222.154.44.X
Hangler, surfcasting is a special sport. It is available to anyone with limited outlay. No $2500 torpedoes with $2000 dollar winches for us. Simply a rod and reel as best you can afford. An adventurous nature and a will to be successful. If you need to run a torpedo to catch your fish then fine, go ahead but dont have a go at me if I tell you that you should be able to catch all you want with five hooks. How many fish do you need anyway? Surfcasting is a lot more than just catching fish! Its about the people you will rub shoulders with and the wonderful places that it will take you to. We are very lucky here in New Zealand that we can still enjoy good fishing at times and very good fishing on occasions. My wife and I have both caught snapper over 23lb from shore in Hawke Bay in the last 12 months. Does it get better than that? We are just pleased the torpedo fishers missed those ones. Elitist? I dont know about that. Try joining a club and enjoy the friendship and challenges that may offer. Its not all about competition, but it could be if you want it to be. Its about learning more about the ocean, about fish and about yourself. Have you ever tried casting on the grass, have you been to a club xmas party, have you ever taken part in a club fish together where we learn from each other? Have you ever buddied up and driven down a new dirt road to a beach you have never seen before? These are all the things you can get from joining a club. If you dont agree with the ideas of an established club then by all means start your own with your ideas. But make sure you join the NZACA. After all they are the "Big Daddy" of all surfcasters.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Hangler on 24/5/2012, 2:42 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 125.237.50.X
Subject normal, don't debate the innovative suggestion, just attack the writer, someone who actually dares to suggest an alternative point of view. This thread is supposed to be about upping the profile and membership of the NZACA but instead it quickly degenerated into personalities as per usual.
Gary, has it ever occurred to you that people who fish with other methods may just get every bit as much enjoyment from a few hours on the beach as you? I have fished using all methods and have never witnessed a torpedo user slaughtering fish as you would have us believe, and that also includes from some of the better beaches in the Bay of Plenty. I've seen Mum, Dad and the kids all joining in and having a great time, then taking home a few fish for tea. Nothing I like more than doing this with my grandchildren. Perhaps the kids should stay at home on their PC's and I-pods. These limits: hook numbers, size limits and total take-able fish were set by the ministry as a sustainable catch for recreational anglers, no problems providing participants keep within those rules. These limits should not come under critique from rod users. The mention of torpedos, kites and kontikis was with reference to getting the users to belong to the NZACA, they are anglers every bit as much as you and I, don't moan at them, welcome them into the NZACA fold.
Try joining a club??? I was secretary of the local Pania club and a fully participating member. I attended, voluntarily, the AGM of the NZACA, I guess over the years I have paid my dues. In those days the Pania club was a more a family affair and it was not unusual to have a member bring his kids along for fun day at the beach. Casting over grass? Yes with a Nottingham style reel and a green-heart rod, you are not a caster until you have brained a finger with the handle of a fast revolving reel. Casting over grass was how we learned that would be around 1955, just 57 years ago.
Elitist. When I was last contributing to this message board there was thread after thread bemoaning the terrible fishing in Hawke's Bay, there was even a petition to present to government complaining at the lack of fish. Now I read red cod are pain in the backside, lemons and spiny dogs are not much better, and coudas are the absolute pits. To top it off you say you have taken large snapper. Just what is the situation? I have no trouble gaining enjoyment and a fish for tea, and I have no problems eating lemon fish or red cod, it's down to the angler's knowledge on how to handle the fish for cooking.
With regard to clubs. Not everyone is interested in fishing a competition for an entire weekend, most have family commitments that take priority. Only this very morning an ex-member of this forum told me he has a partner to consider, I have age and a wife that prevent me from fishing long hours. Have you ever considered holding a competition in two tiers, where those who wish to fish for many hours are in one group, and family people can fish 8:00am to 4:00pm on a Sunday?
Well there's a second suggestion that could be helpful to getting you more members.
To finish I will make one comment on the final sentence in the post from Gary: But make sure you join the NZACA. After all they are the "Big Daddy" of all surfcasters.
I'm sure they are, only about 90% of the anglers in this country have never heard of them. May I suggest you ask yourself why, as it smacks of complacency? This could very well be the reason why I suggested if being a member of the association was a prerequisite for fishing a large tournament, it could well enhance the NZACA's profile and swell the membership of both the association and the clubs. However, I am now informed the club's finances are of more importance than the NZACA, so much for supporting 'Big Daddy'.
Now you have much more to criticise but for God's sake don't discuss my suggestions as they may just work to the benefit of everyone ... and that would never do.
Re: NZACA
Posted by jed on 24/5/2012, 4:18 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 116.251.163.X
Re: NZACA
Posted by GaryK on 24/5/2012, 5:14 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 222.154.44.X
Hangler you are a great spinner. You criticised those who had an opinon in the first instance! For your information our current club champion is a torpedo fisher and holds contests and demonstrations for those who are interested. Why not come along to one of the clubs casting days Hangler. You will see the families with their kids having fun. I will even let you have a cast with my gear if you want to try out some current tackle. Keep taking the happy pills. They will kick in sooner or later.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Yoey on 24/5/2012, 6:51 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 125.238.126.X
Interesting, very interesting. The reading on this thread is very revealing. Shame is, it appears that there is a lot of old hat going on. As the Club captain of the Pania SCC I can say that there is no elitist BS and we are all for the family. There is no requirement to be fishing for whole weekends. Of course if you wish to be Club Champion then of course you need to be competitive and give it everything. However we have instigated several competitions that cater for those that want to be lesser active. Now with my NZACA hat on. I was the most critical of how the Association was being run and how the National Competition was being organized and managed. To this end I was instrumental in the running of a Forum in Rotorua that pulled the whole body apart. From this there has been a huge move forward starting with this years extremely well run Nationals. I have put my hand up as an Exec member and can say with hand on heart that there is huge progress happening. It will not happen overnight but it is happening. As for those that have alternative ways of catching fish from shore. I have no issues ( except for the wankers who let loose a seahorse parallel to the beach). We have three kontiki users in our club so what.
Now as a board user. Mud slinging and criticising the reasonable opinions of others is childish and doesn't warrant the time and effort in replying. Each and every person on this board has an opinion and is entitled to express it. I do take exception though when criticism is aimed at something that the issuer knows nothing about and is not living in the now. Jim Yeoman (Yoey) Pania SCC Club Captain, NZACA Exec. Member. and all round good Bastard.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Rex HB on 24/5/2012, 7:43 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 222.154.96.X
We'll see about that last sentence after Saturday morning's draw at the crack of dawn . Cmon Yoey give us a hint mate. Whats the species
Re: NZACA
Posted by GaryK on 24/5/2012, 7:50 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 222.154.44.X
Seven gill sharks and bluefin tuna. hahahah.
Re: NZACA
Posted by JamesHB on 24/5/2012, 8:05 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 203.173.207.X
dinahs it is then
Re: NZACA
Posted by ABU Man on 25/5/2012, 7:00 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 222.152.253.X
If you live in the Tauranga area jaypeegee can I suggest you get in touch with the Western Bay Surfcasting Club, they are a very progressive and friendly Club.
Re: NZACA
Posted by ABU Man on 25/5/2012, 8:43 am, in reply to "NZACA" 222.152.253.X
Thank you to all the contributors to this thread, it has answered several questions that I have. The original subject of the post has been strayed from here & there and it is a pity we get into personalities rather than sticking to the subject.
I raise these topics so that I can learn. It is a very good way to find out how others think about various issues and I shall continue to use this very valuable resource when I feel the need.
Happy hooking everyone.
Re: NZACA
Posted by GaryK on 25/5/2012, 8:56 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 222.154.44.X
No worries ABU man. Hangler, the Pania Club is still going strong. Have you thought of rejoining. I agree too about the Western Bay club.
Re: NZACA
Posted by jaypeegee on 25/5/2012, 10:41 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 129.223.99.X
Wuld love to live in Tauranga
But I am in wellington so I am looking forward to joining the WSAC club
Yeah : I always get confusd by the personality clashes here They seem so unjustified but I guess there is some historical stuff that impacts this.
Still, I dont really care, Ireally only care about fishing and having fun doing so.
Thanks to everyone for their advice and opinions!!
Re: NZACA
Posted by Mark Roberts on 25/5/2012, 11:25 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 60.234.157.X
I belong to the Pania Surfcasting Club and I'm currently Club Captain for the Hastings Harrier Club. At my age, I should not have that position, but no one else is offering to take it on. Most sports codes have problems attracting members to clubs, let alone anyone willing to fill an executive role.
The original question is what should the NZACA do for clubs and individuals. Why should they do anything? What obligation do the clubs or the NZACA have to the general public? There's no obligation. Nowadays, most clubs are comprised of a few people who have a real passion for their sport. The rest of society seem happy to go shopping, drink coffee, do wine tours, watch television and avoid commitment like the plague.
I seriously suggest that clubs forget trying to enthuse the apathetic and thereby build bigger memberships—it won't happen anyway. They should focus on the passionate members they have and the quality of their experience. In other words, be self-centred like everyone else .
While on this line of thought, surfcasting clubs should forget about running fishing contests for the public. They attract a lot of punters who have no intention of joining a club. To hell with them . Such events stress the few members a club has. The Snapper Bonanza at Whakatane is a better concept. It's limited to club members, people who actually care about the sport of surfcasting. We should do more like that.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Chad on 25/5/2012, 12:56 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 125.239.54.X
BOOOOOO Mark lol, you old barstard ......... Comps can be fun and shouldn't be put aside because you don't like em. Allot of people turn up because it becomes a day fishing with there whanau, if they win something choice, if not, they have already won their miss's over lol..... Besides that, its a great fundraiser, beats cutting bloody wood up haha
Reading the verbal crap up the top.... didn't take ya long, good on ya .
NZACA is a huge topic, for more to happen, more individuals from clubs need to put their hand up and be counted. Attending meting and coming up with creative ideas. There is good formats in place, but prehaps not worked in the best practices. If it doesn't change, then it will slowly die.
Wairoa Hawkesbay
Take Nothing For Granted
Re: NZACA
Posted by Rex HB on 25/5/2012, 3:12 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 222.154.96.X
I’m sorry to hear you have been swallowed up in the rising tide of individualism Mark.
Thankfully not everyone follows that advice or we would be sunk as a society. But I don’t think your quite that cynical or you wouldn’t be Club Captain of the harriers. Your obviously doing it to keep the harriers going. There must be some altruism in those old bones Mark. I mean running is a thing we can all do as individuals. Don’t need a club to run. do we? I’m sure you don’t do it just to show off those legs to the ladies .
I think any fisherman needs to consider the wider world regardless of whether we like it or not. If no one gave a rats arse about fishing or the fish in the sea there would be none left. They would all be gone, courtesy of greed and selfishness of money hungry individuals who look after themselves first and no else. If you want to continue to catch fish you need to be visible to the people, as a club, as a competition organiser or as an affiliation. It sends a signal that there’s someone out there who cares. And keeps the those who would steal the resource on their toes and those who make a living from the resource that they have obligations too if they want to keep the money coming in.
Heaven forbid there come a day when no puts there hand up. They may not get the rewards they deserve but we’d be stuffed without them.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Yoey on 25/5/2012, 4:42 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 125.238.126.X
Roll on 5.30am tomorrow and boo hoo to those that don't make the effort
Re: NZACA
Posted by Hangler on 25/5/2012, 4:56 pm, in reply to "NZACA" 125.237.50.X
ABU Man. Your origin to this thread was to ask how can the NZACA better serve member clubs and individuals? I believe you can take it from the replies so far 'not a lot'. There have been a couple of suggestions, immediately condemned but that is usual and far from an exception.
I firmly believe the question should be along the lines of how can clubs and individuals help the NZACA? It's only when you have a strong association, which is far from the case at present, any help can be reciprocated. Kindly run along with me whilst I explain this line of thinking. A few months ago this message board gave space to an organisation just down the coast from Napier, who wished to raise the issue the fish are not in Hawke's Bay in any quantity. Many of the correspondents on this thread added their thoughts and perhaps signed that petition.
The reason I raise this now is simple, if there is genuine concern about the fishery then it should be the NZACA as a national representative body who should have been running that affair, that is what they are elected for, to act on behalf of anglers.
Just running through recent posts I have noted comments saying the NZACA doing a good job, well if so where is their support coming from. I have just perused the two latest 'Secretary's Jottings' from the NZACA website and it didn't take long to come across this in the January issue.
The reason for including a copy of the folder and the documents (thanks to Advocate Print for their generous donation in supplying these folders and note pads) is so that those clubs who did not send Delegates are fully up with the play. Let me express my personal disappointment here regarding the absence of many clubs, and even greater disappointment at those clubs who did not even acknowledge the invitation or send an apology. So much for the NZACA being YOUR Association!!!!!
Those are not my words, those are the words from the very dejected secretary of your association.
ABU Man, I am sorry the contributors to this site are not backing you on gaining a stronger, far more powerful national body. It occurs to me to really succeed the NZACA need support from many sources, I took particular interest that they are approaching anglers who use kayaks for their fishing pleasure, I believe a very sensible move.
I submit for your consideration the following:
1. On large open tournaments there should be a small surcharge on non club members, this to go to the national body.
2. A general description of the association's aims should be printed on the entry form so non club members are encouraged to learn about the NZACA, and the host club.
3. The entry form should contain a synopsis of work under way with aims to improve the state of the fishery ... especially the need for protecting the sport and the fishery.
4. There should be someone in attendance at the prize giving who can give a one minute chat to the competitors explaining the need for them to join the NZACA, entry forms should be available for individual members. Likewise this time can be used to make a short presentation of the host club. Again with material for joining the club readily available.
5. Any local advertising should have the tournament is run in conjunction with the NZACA, this to raise awareness. It's small things such as this that can help the association gain recognition and thereby gain members.
6. When somebody offers suggestion that is maybe outside the normal square of thinking ... listen. The present day running of the association clearly isn't working, read once more the secretary's disappointment at the clubs' lack of response, and learn. Those in high office work best with support, apathy only leads to disenchantment and resignations. I might also add it stops others from putting forward ideas for fear they will get the same reception as this thread has received.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Phill on 25/5/2012, 7:21 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" Tackle Tactics
I have been watching this thread with interest as a lot of the content I agree with on both sides. I have been thinking again and have an idea. I believe we need a multi pronged approach . 1/ awareness, profile and willingness. 2/ funding. 3/ an open mind to try something . My idea Regional fishing competitions open to both the public and to NZACA clubs and members. These comps would run along the lines of our normal of public comps. Nzaca members would be able to win prizes and also be able to win points going to an award or prize or both at the finals . Each Nzaca entrant would automatically get say 100 points just for entering plus points for fish caught . If there is say four rounds you could drop your worst round . Club teams could compete . The entry fee could be split between the prizes the organizing club and the nzaca there fore giving them some funding to raise their profile etc. This is only part of what I have in mind, but please feel free to add your $2.00 worth . I have spoken to some of the nzaca exec about this and are keen , so what do you guys think .
Re: NZACA
Posted by Hangler on 26/5/2012, 9:06 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 125.237.50.X
Bloody brilliant! Well thought out Phill, a totally positive and innovative reply, I'm confident ABU Man will appreciate your effort.
Re: NZACA
Posted by ABU Man on 26/5/2012, 9:36 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 222.152.253.X
Thanks Phil & all the other positive comments to this thread, I have picked up quite a lot from it. Now it is time to swing the discussion around .. see my new posting "Clubs"
Cheers all.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Yoey on 26/5/2012, 9:43 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 125.238.126.X
Like I have already said gentlemen and Phill, you will I think back me on this, and contrary to your last posting Hangler, of which you are correct in what you posted, there are changes afoot in the NZACA. I agree that it has been a lesser entity that it could be but there ARE changes being made. As I said before it will not happen overnight but it is happening. I have put my hand up and am not hiding behind any psuedenoms. I am prepared to put in the effort to make the NZACA what it should be and appreciate your ideas and concerns. What I would definitely appreciate is the ending of the continual bagging of something that you are looking at from the outside and dont know anything about. Also you failed to point out in the Secretarial Jottings note, you posted, that there were approx 15 surfcasting clubs present at that meeting, a very good cross section of the country and well representing the majority I would have thought. Those that didn't attend were from the extreme north mostly and some of those had submitted written thoughts. One of the positives that the NZACA has done recently is aligned itself with other fishery groups to give us a stronger voice in what and how the fishery is managed. Just one of recent proactive moves by the Association. Once again I will say, NZACA is on the move. We are making changes. Some of these as you may appreciate cant be just "changed" as such, they need to go through the required channels, but they will do so. Stop running around quoting the past and what "has" happened, we are looking to the future, the wheels are turning and change is happening
Yoey (and you all know who I am )
Re: NZACA
Posted by Hangler on 26/5/2012, 11:48 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 125.237.50.X
Yoey, (sorry I do not know who you are ), I believe you will find in every post my messages are clearly in support of the NZACA and my suggestions have been to promote its public image and bank balance. In particular making anglers aware of its aims and existence, and suggesting ideas to promote membership. Nowhere have I 'bagged' Its work, in fact I would dearly love to see it's very existence far more widely known and membership compulsory as is the case with golf ... no membership then you cannot play in tournaments.
With regard to the secretary's jottings: this passage was use purely to illustrate the frustration at clubs failing to (a) attend or (b) even extend the common courtesy of tendering an apology for absents. There is no critique either made or implied by myself or the secretary of those who did indeed attend, having performed much secretarial work I fully understand the frustration.
In my posts I have already suggested the executive of the NZACA should align themselves with other fishing groups. I mentioned the Kite Fishing club, plus mentions of torpedos and kontikis, I have also mentioned the association's desire to be aligned with kayak anglers, unity is strength, or it can be if handled correctly. However, those who chose to fish with kontikis, kites, torpedos or long lines are hardly likely to be endeared with a group that continually complains at the current rules regarding hook numbers and accusations they are plundering the resource.
There have been some very positive ideas come out of this thread, let's hope some of them are put into practice or get mentioned at executive level.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Yoey on 26/5/2012, 11:57 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA" 125.238.126.X
More than happy to meet and discuss your ideas and ways forward anytime. You have mail.
. Cmon Yoey give us a hint mate. Whats the species 
. Such events stress the few members a club has. The Snapper Bonanza at Whakatane is a better concept. It's limited to club members, people who actually care about the sport of surfcasting. We should do more like that. 
), I believe you will find in every post my messages are clearly in support of the NZACA and my suggestions have been to promote its public image and bank balance. In particular making anglers aware of its aims and existence, and suggesting ideas to promote membership. Nowhere have I 'bagged' Its work, in fact I would dearly love to see it's very existence far more widely known and membership compulsory as is the case with golf ... no membership then you cannot play in tournaments.