Posted by Ken Waldron on December 7, 2023, 7:06 pm
You would think they had done enough damage setting up the catastrophe of Israel in the first place.
Hubris leads to Nemesis...
Britain preparing West Bank leaders to govern Gaza Grant Shapps says a takeover by the Palestinian Authority is the ‘likely solution'
Grant Shapps, the defence secretary, says a British military team in Ramallah is assessing “the capacity and ability” of the Palestinian Authority to rule Gaza
HANNAH MCKAY/REUTERS Larisa Brown, Defence Editor in Ramallah Thursday December 07 2023, 2.40pm, The Times
A British military team in the West Bank is helping to prepare the Palestinian Authority to take over governance of Gaza as Grant Shapps said it should be in charge after the war in an attempt to improve the lives of both sides.
The defence secretary told The Times that a British Support Team had been on the ground in Ramallah for more than ten years and the UK would look at increasing its capacity to help the Palestinian Authority.
The support mission is rarely talked about but it is understood to be relatively small. The team works with America and Canada...
Posted by Dovetail Joint on December 7, 2023, 7:49 pm, in reply to "Brits out..."
One doesn't know whether, to laugh or cry.
Join the dots...
Posted by Ken Waldron on December 7, 2023, 7:58 pm, in reply to "Brits out..."
Puzzling for a few moments on the above brit involvement...follow the money and an interesting combination of facts kinda join up naturaly.
Gas off Gaza... British Petrolium being awarded rights to drill...corrupt Palestinian " leader" Mahmoud Abbas takes over strip with British assistance giving token Palestinian legal "sanction" to pillage aforesaid gas for whatever relative peanuts they feed him in brown envelopes...plus control of strip secures drilling operations from potential attack.
Result!
-Well worth murdering the population for in a geopolitical capitalist weighting.
Re: Join the dots...
Posted by Keith-264 on December 7, 2023, 10:57 pm, in reply to "Join the dots..."
When Andrew Jackson was inventing the concentration camp he had tame Cherokee (a tiny minority) agree a treaty of ethnic cleansing and then claimed that it represented the will of the Cherokee people. Plus ca change.The last working-class hero in England.
Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016 Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018 Jasper the Ruffian cat ? ? ? - 4 November 2021
We look at the great injustices of history...
Posted by Ken Waldron on December 7, 2023, 11:18 pm, in reply to "Re: Join the dots..."
And shake our heads at the ignorance and stupidity of people now dead...
I was thinking of the pogrom, murder and exile of the Jews of Spain in the 15th c...this, which is happening before our terribly oh so-fucking modern & moraly improved eyes, is in fact massively worse in real terms and numbers than that major historical catastrophe: one which is recalled by historians with a conscience: quite rightly as such a source of moral shame that it should never be allowed to happen again.
But yet here we are: our government's fully aligned with the same old shit...singing the same old sad songs...
The PA take over Gaza? "Pie in the sky and off the table" (Mouin Rabbani))
Posted by Der on December 7, 2023, 9:54 pm, in reply to "Brits out..."
Extract from longer interview - link below:
"This [the PA being put in charge of Gaza] is primarily a U.S. project, because Israel’s strategy, of course, has been to keep the Palestinians divided and fragmented. And one reason that Hamas has been able to remain in power in the Gaza Strip all these years is because Israel — its distaste for Hamas notwithstanding — has preferred a situation in which the West Bank — or those parts of it under Palestinian administration — and the Gaza Strip are ruled by separate and rival entities, rather than by a unified entity.
And Netanyahu, for example, has spoken out very clearly against any return of the Palestinian Authority to the Gaza Strip, and I think he speaks for the consensus of the Israeli leadership, and not just this leadership, on that issue. So, again, it’s primarily a U.S. project.
And this has a long history, the crux of which is basically that it is the U.S. and not the Palestinian people who will determine who represents them, who leads them, who rules them. It’s [that] the right of Palestinian representation belongs to Washington, and not the Palestinians.
The thing about the Palestinian Authority is that it is, in fact, a disintegrating entity. Israel, particularly since the eruption of the Second Intifada in 2000, has systematically implemented measures to weaken the Palestinian Authority, to transform it, essentially, into a subcontractor for the Israeli occupation, whose main function is kind of as an adjunct to the Israeli military and intelligence services in the West Bank. This has been quite systematic and, again, it’s not something that has ever been substantively opposed by those who claim that the Palestinian Authority should be empowered so that it can participate in a political resolution of this conflict.
So, you have the Americans kind of actively supporting this Israeli policy, while saying that they want the PA to be strengthened, and you have the Europeans effectively doing the same. Every time there’s a new Israeli outrage, how does the European Union respond? Well, it launches yet another investigation of Palestinian elementary school textbooks. I mean, that’s kind of the extent of European opposition to Israeli policy towards the Palestinians, and its efforts to weaken the Palestinian authority.
So, you have a Palestinian Authority that can’t even impose its authority over those areas of the West Bank which are formally under its administration. And, in this crisis, what you’ve had — as is often the case when Israel tries to eradicate the Palestinian organization — Hamas’ stature has been skyrocketing while the PA is primarily present through its absence in the public consciousness. I mean, Mahmoud Abbas is kind of trotted out every other week to make a meaningless statement. The guy is completely AWOL.
Another thing is, Hamas is far from universally popular in the Gaza Strip. There’s actually been quite a bit of opposition towards its continued rule over the Gaza Strip over the years, perhaps even increasing in recent years. But, that notwithstanding, one thing virtually all Palestinians in the Gaza Strip agree upon is that they detest the Palestinian Authority.
So, opposition to Hamas does not translate into support for the Palestinian Authority, because the Palestinian Authority has played a very, very pernicious role in punishing the people of the Gaza Strip, by participating in the blockade, by doing nothing to … Because the Palestinian Authority — or, rather, Mahmoud Abbas in particular — sees not only Hamas as its enemy, as his enemy, but sees the entire Gaza Strip as an enemy, and has treated it as such over the years.
You have a former Palestinian Prime Minister, Salam Fayyad — who also has a very low popularity ratings, but that’s a different question — he is one of several who I believe are on the record as saying that they received instructions from Mahmoud Abbas to further turn the screws on the Gaza Strip, and refused to do so.
And so, the Palestinian Authority is seen by the majority of Gazans as part of the problem — particularly Mahmoud Abbas — and not part of the solution. Now, the Americans, nevertheless … Again, we’re talking about the Washington echo chamber, so you can say anything provided it has no relationship to reality. They’re under this illusion that they are going to resuscitate the Palestinian Authority, perhaps even appoint a new leader in Washington’s image who will be lionized by the Palestinian people. That they will then bring him into the Gaza Strip on the back of an Israeli tank, and that he will be received with rice and flowers by every Palestinian in the Gaza Strip.
I mean, there’s only one problem here, putting aside all these political issues. If the PA can’t even administer territories under its jurisdiction in the West Bank, and if the U.S. can’t even challenge Israel’s systematic efforts over the years to weaken the Palestinian Authority, how are you going to get a strengthened PA that is actually going to rule the Gaza Strip?
And there’s one other point here, which is that all these scenarios have as a prerequisite the successful eradication of Hamas in the Gaza Strip. If Hamas remains, not even as a coherent movement, but retains residual military capabilities, these scenarios are all pie-in-the-sky and off the table..."
Posted by t on December 7, 2023, 9:55 pm, in reply to "Brits out..."
Our UK leaders are so far removed from the reality, it is literally painful to read about such preposterous ideas. A quisling PLO from the West Bank to be used to sell Gaza gas for peanuts and Isreahell and Exxon to bag the dosh (shakes head). From the river to the sea .. Palestine shall be .. something : )
... it is literally painful to read about such preposterous ideas. A quisling PLO from the West Bank to be used to sell Gaza gas for peanuts and Isreahell and Exxon to bag the dosh (shakes head). From the river to the sea .. Palestine shall be .. something : )
-Robbed?
I reckon that's the gameplan however stupid. For those not "thinned out" (i.e. murdered) there's a million Gazaites for Egypt on threat of removal of US aid... half a million for Turkey, 250,000 for Iraq, another 250,000 for Yemen: De-stabilization: will make the nations...
I am so sorry, I don't understand the following, I'd highly appreciate a clarification.Ta.
.. there's a million Gazaites for Egypt on threat of removal of US aid... half a million for Turkey, 250,000 for Iraq, another 250,000 for Yemen: De-stabilization: will make the nations...
Nutters have a despicable plan which becomes more outrageous as it develops. It seems to me that the Israeli society is right and ready behind Nutty-yahoo for now, with these skewed narratives : /. We wait.
Re: Thanks ..
Posted by Ken Waldron on December 8, 2023, 12:52 am, in reply to "Thanks .."
The only reason the Yanquis might hand it to the Brits is because it's dodgy as fuck...but the Brits are both keen and desperate.
Outsourcing the Empire...
Re: Thanks ..
Posted by Dovetail Joint on December 8, 2023, 7:34 am, in reply to "Re: Thanks .."
In some ways it's rather sad, the once beauteous cortesan reduce to the level of back alley tart; or a street punk running errands for a mobster, for a 'consideration'. That's Britain's dull and pathetic role these days. How the mighty have fallen.
Britain - "The once beauteous courtesan". When was that?
Posted by Der on December 8, 2023, 10:56 am, in reply to "Re: Thanks .."
Nor are humans "tarts".
Re: Britain - "The once beauteous courtesan". When was that?