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Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by ChazzyB <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=ChazzyB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2020, 5:29 pm

I recently(*) bought a set of waterslide transfers for my AJS 18S. As the paint is new and polished (Autoglym's finest), I suspect I should remove the polish before applying the transfers and varnishing. Will a 90%/10% ethanol/methanol mix remove the polish? This is labelled 'alcool brulee' as it was bought in France. I suspect it's the French version of meths, though it's clear and doesn't pong like our blue stuff. The label says it's for cleaning and degreasing or powering your fondue ... ;-)

Opinions?

(*)15 years ago.

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Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by geoff the bonnie <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=geoff+the+bonnie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2020, 6:47 pm, in reply to "Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

T cut removes the polish. You can also spray paint on a T cutted surface.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by Tonupdave <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Tonupdave' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2020, 7:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

As Geoff says Tcut or solvo autosol then Finnish with standard toothpaste the Transfer will have to be lacquered afterwards..

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by ChazzyB <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=ChazzyB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2020, 7:42 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

Crikey chaps, I only want to remove polish, not paint! This is new paint, which I happen to have treated to some nice Autoglym polish.

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Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by SteveB <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=SteveB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2020, 7:44 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

Panel wipe ,

Sorry chazzy, cannot answer your question about the fluid that you have.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by Tonupdave <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Tonupdave' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2020, 8:39 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

It really needs a flatted surface for the water slide to key to they have to be lacquered
If you can remove the polish you can Lacquer the Transfer with an oil based clear lacquer like Humbrol and paint over the Transfer but overlapping the edge a small amount..

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by Tonupdave <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Tonupdave' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2020, 8:39 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

It really needs a flatted surface for the water slide to key to they have to be lacquered
If you can remove the polish you can Lacquer the Transfer with an oil based clear lacquer like Humbrol and paint over the Transfer but overlapping the edge a small amount..

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by geoff the bonnie <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=geoff+the+bonnie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2020, 10:05 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

If you don't remove the autoglym, the transfer will not adhere neither will the finish lacquer. T cut has always been used to remove silicone polish prior to retouching . It does no harm to the paint.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by NottsIan <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=NottsIan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2020, 10:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

Be careful though. I understand T-Cut is another of those products that ain't what it used to be and now contains a load of wax.

Last time I did a waterslide transfer I flatted with 2000 wet and dry. After I'd applied the transfer I gave the whole thing (A BSA oil tank) a couple of coats of clear-coat. I'm very pleased with the result.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by geoff the bonnie <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=geoff+the+bonnie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2020, 10:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

I have a half gallon of old T cut and some of the new modern type. There is a big difference in quality with the old one cutting much better. I can spray over either type though. When i want a better job, i use the old can.
A 2000 grit would be ideal to flat it as Ian suggests. It will all polish up again.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by shiner <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=shiner' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 30, 2020, 5:13 am, in reply to "Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

listen to the advice Chazzy, spirit will certainly move sillicone around on the surface & some will come off on the cloth,but a lot will remain panel wipe will also remove some and risks marking the paint finish though. T cut is the way to go.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by Tonupdave <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Tonupdave' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 30, 2020, 8:49 am, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

That's why I said Finnish with toothpaste it's a fine cutting compound and water soluble used this method for polishing perspex windscreens and plastic headlight lenses..

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by Stuart <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Stuart' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 30, 2020, 10:42 am, in reply to "Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

Hi Chazzy,

I've a bottle of (pink) liquid by one of the polish makers (not Autoglym), the bottle says it's for removing old wax. I wipe it on with a paper towel, it dries quickly, I wipe it off with another paper towel. Always worked for me. Never done anything to paint.

You might wonder why I don't go and look up the maker of this wonder pink liquid; it's 'cos the ground is covered in snow and ice and it's so cold that when I open the door, the light comes on ... fwiw, I bought the stuff in Halfords.

Hth.

Regards,

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by Hampy <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Hampy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 30, 2020, 10:46 am, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

Sounds like Windowlene.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by ChazzyB <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=ChazzyB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 30, 2020, 11:40 am, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

I'm about to pick up a pack of microfibre towels for the wiping bit. Car detailing sites stress wiping the residue off with a second cloth before the fluid dries. Isopropyl alcohol seems to be the degreaser of choice and is the main constituent of proprietary panel wipe fluids.

TBH, I'm wary of using T-Cut as it contains (or used to) petroleum distillates and is abrasive. Stuff I've read about applying waterslide transfers say apply to a gloss surface, to the extent one recommendation was to varnish the target area first, apply the transfer, then seal with another layer of varnish.

Oh well, I'll soon find out...

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Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by Hampy <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Hampy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 30, 2020, 11:49 am, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

Let us know how you got on.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by Tonupdave <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Tonupdave' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 30, 2020, 12:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

I have used waterside transfers and varnish transfers but will admit the new vinyl ones are very good and thin much easier to apply and don't need varnish I have done my Ariel with then and my son has just restored a Martini Racing Porsch with Martini decals as was used originally
Just wet the area peel the backing off then floatinto position then press out the water and leave to dry..

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by geoff the bonnie <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=geoff+the+bonnie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 30, 2020, 1:05 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

I have been using some cut vinyl decals. They are very thin and accept a covering of clear coat. Transfers were always a tricky job so good luck Chaz. With some care, i bet you get a good job.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by JERRY <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=JERRY' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 30, 2020, 4:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

Geoff you shouldn't need any covering on vinyl.

The oldest rocker in town!

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by geoff the bonnie <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=geoff+the+bonnie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 31, 2020, 8:34 am, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

With a clear coat, the vinyl loses it sharp edge and will not catch on polishing rags. Good to clearcoat over 3mm pinstripe tapes on tanks.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by Hampy <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Hampy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 31, 2020, 9:07 am, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

Spot on Geoff.

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by JERRY <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=JERRY' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 31, 2020, 10:21 am, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

Thanks Geoff, never thought of that.

The oldest rocker in town!

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by ChazzyB <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=ChazzyB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 31, 2020, 12:35 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

Yacht varnish. A can came through my letter box only yesterday.

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Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by JERRY <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=JERRY' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 31, 2020, 1:33 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

Did you buy it in a sail Chaz

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Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by Hants Ian <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Hants+Ian' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 31, 2020, 1:51 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

You've got a large letter box.

The light at the end of the tunnel maybe an oncoming train

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by ChazzyB <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=ChazzyB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 31, 2020, 4:47 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

OK, I lied a bit. The Amazon driver rang the door bell.

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Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by Hants Ian <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Hants+Ian' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 31, 2020, 5:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

Wow! You were lucky.

The light at the end of the tunnel maybe an oncoming train

Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers

Posted by Nigel B <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Nigel+B' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 30, 2020, 2:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Prepping for Waterslide Transfers"

Stuff I've read about applying waterslide transfers say apply to a gloss surface, to the extent one recommendation was to varnish the target area first, apply the transfer, then seal with another layer of varnish.

Certainly the recommendation for using waterslide transfers on scale models is to apply to a gloss finish surface. Application to matt surfaces can lead to "silvering", or trapped air in the roughness of the surface showing through the transfer.

If the surface is curved & the transfer wrinkles, then there are "setting solutions" which soften & shrink the clear backing film of the transfer for a better fit. These solutions can also help with silvering. These products should be available through model shops - the one I use is Revell Decal Soft, though there are others.

If you want to make your own waterslide transfers, clear or white "decal paper" is available for inkjet and laser printers. Those printed on inkjets require a coat of clear varnish to waterproof the printed detail before wetting for application.

Nigel B.

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