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Fine Chinese machinery.

Posted by Leon Novello <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Leon+Novello' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 8, 2021, 10:04 pm

On a Queensland Heritage Club ride at a pub stop in Petrie near Brisbane, the pub was closed.

Leon Novello

Re: Fine Chinese machinery.

Posted by Lannis <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Lannis' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 8, 2021, 10:37 pm, in reply to "Fine Chinese machinery."

I'm sorry, you are NOT allowed to use all three of those words together. Any two, but not all three.

We strive for accuracy here.

Lannis

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Posted by Leon Novello <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Leon+Novello' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 8, 2021, 11:40 pm, in reply to "Fine Chinese machinery."

Er` fine machinery?

Leon Novello

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Posted by Lannis <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Lannis' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 2:25 am, in reply to "Re: Fine Chinese machinery."

Just one of those "two out of three ain't bad" things.

Like a bike repair shop saying "We can do it Fast, Right, and Cheap - Pick Two"

Lannis

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Posted by Leon Novello <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Leon+Novello' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 4:27 am, in reply to "Re: Fine Chinese machinery."

If it`s fast and cheap, it can`t be Right.

As I often found when I tried to fix things in a hurry.

Leon Novello

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Posted by G3lcs <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=G3lcs' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 9:42 am, in reply to "Re: Fine Chinese machinery."

I seem to remember the wise guys of the day saying nothing good came out of Japan, I would suggest they were wrong, and unfortunately China will be the same and anyone who thinks otherwise will deserve the situation they find themselves in - but for a while ignorance is bliss for some.

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Posted by Sparrow <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Sparrow' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 10:14 am, in reply to "Re: Fine Chinese machinery."

Didn't they send a rocket to the moon already.
(Re-watching the Sopranos. All 86 episodes)

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Posted by Lannis <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Lannis' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 2:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Fine Chinese machinery."

Not ignorance, just a little bit different interpretation of events.

Yes, some of the older folks, like my father, would have nothing to do with Japanese products in the 50s and 60s. Part of that was because he was in the Western Pacific in the closing days of World War II, and he saw ... well, the less said the better.

Plus, when Japan was rebuilding itself from being nuked and napalmed into a pile of ash, they produced and exported ANYthing that they could make to try to get some foreign exchange in. I remember having a little metal wind-up car from Japan that still had the paint on the inside from the tin can it had been stamped out of. But they were a democracy (an Asian one, thus different from ours, but ..) and they built themselves into a high-quality world trading empire.

China, on the other hand, is a communist slave-labor empire, whose goal is to flood the world with subsidized, cheap crap (which they know how to make as well as they know how to make better stuff), and they KNOW that we in the US and UK will throw our local manufacturers right under the train to save a few pence on a DVD player or adjustable spanner. And they'll continue to take advantage of that until they've met their goal. And it'll be a long road back for the ones who sucked on that "cheap cheap cheap" tit for so long.

Me, I don't buy anything with a Chinese label on it, ever. But that's just me.

Your interpretation of the signs may be different, of course. We're like that here on IKBA ..

Lannis

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Posted by G3lcs <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=G3lcs' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 2:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Fine Chinese machinery."

Jap crap was a term once used by some in the UK - we are now less ignorant.

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Posted by Lannis <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Lannis' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 3:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Fine Chinese machinery."

Again, I don't think it's "ignorance".

I'm not holding any Allied soldier, sailor, airman, or Marine, or Filipino civilian who saw or experienced what they saw in the Pacific in World War II to MY 2020 standard of "tolerance", and call it "ignorance" if they had different feelings than I do.

That's all in the past now, though. Not many left.

Lannis

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Posted by G3lcs <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=G3lcs' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 3:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Fine Chinese machinery."

Some people used to think the same about the Germans, perhaps they still do - the same about the French 1066 and all that, plus of course the US war of independence, and the IRA, I suppose some need a reason to be bitter,

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Posted by Lannis <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Lannis' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 3:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Fine Chinese machinery."

Yes, and with some reason, I'd think; but as you say, WE don't have to hold on to historical grievances.

Although you guys still twit the French about Agincourt and Crecy ...

Lannis

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Posted by Beezabryan <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Beezabryan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 4:35 pm, in reply to "Re: Fine Chinese machinery."

BeezaBryan does not do politics

He knows not where he's going, For the ocean will decide,
Its not the destination, It's the glory of the ride (Edward Monkton, Zen Dog)

Re: Fine Chinese machinery.

Posted by Nigel B <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Nigel+B' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 12:30 pm, in reply to "Fine Chinese machinery."

A Chinese copy of a Russian copy of a WW2 BMW - what could possibly go wrong ?

There was a chap bringing them in to the UK at one point - IIRC the frames used were ex-Chinese military from the '60s recycled through the original factory, so they came in as "classic bikes" & got age related plates.

Nigel B.

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Posted by Tonupdave <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Tonupdave' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 2:52 pm, in reply to "Re: Fine Chinese machinery."

Nearly all electronic chips are made in China
When I was in the business of importing end exporting.. Firearms the Americans were quite happy buy My Russian pistols for there Olimpic team and I supplied the Ruskies with Dupont Chemicals from the US in the early 70s...

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

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Posted by Nigel B <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Nigel+B' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 4:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Fine Chinese machinery."

Big difference between semiconductors, firearms & motorcycles Dave.

Not suggesting that either the Chinese or the Russians are incapable of making quality items, just that (up to now) neither have made particularly good motorcycles. Neither appeared to make very good copies of the German original (in this case), mainly due to poor choices or low quality of materials. I replaced the rear light unit on Mark D's Ural sidecar during a rewire of his R75 outfit (the one in "that" photo). The Russian item was abysmal quality, made of some extremely lightweight die cast metal that had to be handled with kid gloves to prevent stripping threads. The one I took off literally disintegrated as it was removed - the "metal" just collapsed.

The Russians seem to have largely given up trying to improve or indeed manufacture motorcycles in any sort of quantity, but the Chinese (mainly due joint ventures with established European or Japanese manufacturers) do seem to be improving to the point that some of their products appear to be worthy of consideration. Unfortunately (for them) by the time the build quality & riding experience have improved to this point, their prices have also risen to be in the same ballpark as the established manufacturers.

Only India seems to be able to both improve the quality of their products while keeping prices low.

The only Russian pistol I shot was (IIRC) a Vostock .22 semi-automatic target pistol. By the time I was in a position to consider going down that route they had been banned.

My Baikal IJ38 air rifle is on a par with similar price point Chinese stuff - i.e not great ! Fun to knock tin cans about with - while it works, between rebuilds. Weihrauch have nothing to fear from either country, though their prices are getting a bit steep these days & the Chinese stuff is getting better all the time.

Nigel B.

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Posted by G3lcs <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=G3lcs' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 5:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Fine Chinese machinery."

Regarding pricing I think you will find the price has a lot to do with the exchange rate, politics and what they think the market will stand.

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Posted by Tonupdave <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Tonupdave' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2021, 5:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Fine Chinese machinery."

Russian Toz free pistols were used by most Olympic teams they came in a fitted wooden case with numerous spares and cleaning equipment they then bought out the IJ 35 which I valuated the weapon it was produced and supplied to the Russian squad and I received 10 which were sold to the French Olympic squad it was so successful it was banned at the time it was the only weapon semi automatic that had a barrel in line with the index finger this was considered an unfair advantage.. I won't go into details here.. But obvious...

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

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