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Covid question

Posted by JERRY <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=JERRY' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 28, 2021, 4:51 pm

Why when we hear of all these covid related deaths do they say, died with covid and not died of covid. Not sure what that means or am I being thick as usual?

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Posted by Hampy <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Hampy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 28, 2021, 5:01 pm, in reply to "Covid question"

Anyone who dies from any cause who has tested positive in the previous 28 days is included in the numbers. Anyone's guess on the number of those who died from the virus.

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Posted by JERRY <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=JERRY' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 28, 2021, 5:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid question"

Thanks mate. Sounds a bit of a con to me to get the numbers up?

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Posted by spriddler <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=spriddler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 28, 2021, 5:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid question"

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Posted by Tonupdave <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Tonupdave' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 28, 2021, 5:33 pm, in reply to "Deleted reply (without Covid)."

Yes it could be true as tested then on the way home get run over.. So leaves it open to interpretation but still a lot my son has been testing regularly as he is working but it has been proved that one test three attempts one positive two negative.. But no doubting the Hospitals are being overwhelmed..

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

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Posted by pete_s <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=pete_s' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 28, 2021, 5:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid question"

Bit more complex.

One set of figures is died with Covid on the death certificate either as a primary cause or as a contributory cause. The other set is died within 28 days of a positive test.

This causes confusion here in Scotland as our testing rate is lot lower so we have 6000 deaths with a positive test and >8000 with it on the death certificate. I'll leave you to guess which one The Dear Leader reports in her daily show.

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The BBC figures normally qualify the 28 days figure.

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Posted by Lannis <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Lannis' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 28, 2021, 7:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid question"

Hey, last time that I said exactly that, you told me to give it a rest.

I didn't realize that it was so that you could say it instead!

Lannis

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Stop moaning Lannis; for goodness sake.

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Fair enough. I'd hate to stand out as being the only one on IKBA to ever have a moan about anything .... !!

Lannis

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Posted by CrazyFrog <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=CrazyFrog' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 28, 2021, 6:14 pm, in reply to "Covid question"

It's interesting to observe that other than saying 'cases are low' there is no mention at all about flu deaths so far this winter in data released by the ONS. Given that in an average year 17,000 die of the flu every winter, I find it somewhat remarkable that apparently nobody has died from it this year.

Has there been a turf war between the Covid virus and the good old flu virus? It would seem so, and Covid has obviously vanquished the poor old flu virus....

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Posted by Will <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Will' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 28, 2021, 7:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid question"

A week or two ago the number of "excess deaths" (ie more than an average/usual year) was announced. If memory serves me right it was 75% up on "normal" annual figures and the worst since WW2. Maybe someone on here has the time & inclination to trawl the 'net for the exact figures?

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Posted by ChazzyB <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=ChazzyB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 28, 2021, 6:26 pm, in reply to "Covid question"

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If you have been in Hospital last year like Maz and I have been you would know its not the Flu Maz was treated in a private hospital to keep ordinary patients like emergency cancer as Maz was and operations were performed there the same as when I went in with my recent heart attack the six days there I was in a single room for five of those days.. Now I have never seen the hospital like that
Next month I have to go to Axminster hospital 38 miles away to relieve the RD&E this is just for a consultation and tests. Axminster is small and has no Covid patients as it is a satellite hospital..
You don't have Ambulances queueing for four hours amid the Flu season..
My beliefs only

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

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I wasn't suggesting that Covid is the Flu Dave, I was suggesting that they are counting Flu deaths as Covid...

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I was suggesting that they are counting Flu deaths as Covid...

But surely only if they tested positive for Covid & deaths from just flu wouldn't be included on the tally????

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My blabbing is from my experience and remember that the West country was the lowest infected area
A Nightingale hospital was built and not used it is now and half full but these are patients recovering..

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

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Logically I agree with you. Why then are there no reported deaths from flu this year. Do I smell books cooking?

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Perhaps because they are not "excess deaths" above & beyond normal.....and statisticians are too busy with other things?

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Total deaths in the year 2020 was 40,420 related to Flu and pneumonia and not Covid.on death certificate
Just Googled it..

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

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Maybe it depends on what you put into Google...

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