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Now you know.

Posted by Sparrow <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Sparrow' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 28, 2022, 1:46 pm

Been bothering me for some time specially the dropping of "the".
My next quest - Why did Humpty fall of of the wall.
Why not just "of the wall".
Must get out more.
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From Wiki.
CorrectUA campaign
The "KyivNotKiev" campaign is part of the broader "CorrectUA" campaign, which advocates a change of name in English; not only for Kyiv, but also for other Ukrainian cities whose English names are derived from Russian as well. Examples of settlement names derived from Russian include: Odessa instead of Odesa, Kharkov instead of Kharkiv, Lvov instead of Lviv, Nikolaev instead of Mykolaiv, and Rovno instead of Rivne.[13] In English, Kiev was used in print as early as 1804 in John Cary's "New map of Europe, from the latest authorities" which appeared in Cary's New Universal Atlas published in London. Mary Holderness's travelogue New Russia: Journey from Riga to the Crimea by way of Kiev was published in 1823.[14] The Oxford English Dictionary included Kiev in a quotation by 1883, and Kyiv in 2018.[15] Transliterations based on Russian names were sustained in common practice because of aggressive Russification policies from the Russian Imperial and later Soviet governments.[11]

The campaign also includes advice on the usage of the definite article (the) before the name of the country, i.e. "the Ukraine". The definite article is rarely used before the names of independent states but is often used before the names of regions of countries.[16] Continuing to use a definite article before the country's name is seen by many Ukrainians as questioning Ukrainian sovereignty. This situation came to be particularly acute after the beginning of the Russian military intervention into Ukraine. On the other hand, some hold that this campaign is nothing more than populism and was started to make it look like something was being done to divert attention from more important problems.[1

Re: Now you know.

Posted by 6TDen <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=6TDen' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 28, 2022, 2:22 pm, in reply to "Now you know."

Maybe because you used the same word twice Sparrow. Using off of might shed light on your dilemma.

Den

On a similar vein

Posted by jimmy <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=jimmy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 28, 2022, 2:38 pm, in reply to "Re: Now you know."

When I was in school we were taught about Boudicca, then pronounced 'Bow-de-seea' (at least up here, it was sounded that way) now they pronounce it 'Boo-day-ka'

How come after 2000yrs they decided on a change of pronunciation?

Re: On a similar vein

Posted by Brickboy <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Brickboy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 28, 2022, 6:54 pm, in reply to "On a similar vein "

Jimmy, I think the problem arose because the 'accepted' pronunciation with the soft c has always been inaccurate. In the same way that Caesar would have been pronounced Kaisar (not Kaiser) by ancient Romans but was then softened, first by ecclesiastical Latin then modern English, so Boudica was pronounced incorrectly in the same way.

The interesting thing to wonder is: after all these years of accepted pronunciation, which is the better to use? Pronounce the names as they would have been/should be pronounced and risk sounding like a pretentious knob or fall into line with what you know is an inaccurate but unremarked upon way of pronouncing them.

Personally, I always go for the accepted pronunciation.

Simon

Re: On a similar vein

Posted by BeezaBryan2 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=BeezaBryan2' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 28, 2022, 7:14 pm, in reply to "Re: On a similar vein "

I'm with you.
Know I may be a knob but pretentious I hope I am not

Re: On a similar vein

Posted by spriddler <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=spriddler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 28, 2022, 8:10 pm, in reply to "Re: On a similar vein "

When I was a lad Humpty fell off a wall, not off of a wall. Besides, I could never understand why 'All the Kings horses' would have been expected to make any contribution at all to putting Humpty together again.

It makes me wince when reporters and correspondents who normally speak with BBC received pronunciation feel it necessary to use the vernacular with words such as.... 'Arfharnistarn' and refer to.... 'the Darlybarrn'.

(Yes, I intend to get out more).

Re: On a similar vein

Posted by Lannis <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Lannis' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 1, 2022, 1:22 pm, in reply to "Re: On a similar vein "

Back in that day, "Horse" meant a man-at-arms on a horse. A "Lance" was a team of a man on a horse and a man-at-arms on foot. A plain "Man-at-arms" was a fighting man on foot.

So it meant a whole lot of the King's army, not the animals they rode ....

Lannis

At no time in history have the people forcing other people into compliance been the good guys.

Re: On a similar vein

Posted by Stuart <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Stuart' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 28, 2022, 9:36 pm, in reply to "Re: On a similar vein "

>pretentious I hope I am not

Or as Miss Piggy said, "Pretentious? Moi?"

Re: On a similar vein

Posted by ChazzyB <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=ChazzyB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 28, 2022, 9:52 pm, in reply to "Re: On a similar vein "

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Re: On a similar vein

Posted by geoff the bonnie <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=geoff+the+bonnie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 28, 2022, 10:28 pm, in reply to "Re: On a similar vein "

Years ago, old Mac Donald had a farm. Now he has 50,000 takeaways drive ins. Some of these old songs and Hymns need updating.

Re: On a similar vein

Posted by calidavid <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=calidavid' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 29, 2022, 4:22 am, in reply to "Re: On a similar vein "

Previously in Fawlty Towers by medallion man.

Re: On a similar vein

Posted by Leon Novello <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Leon+Novello' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 29, 2022, 2:59 am, in reply to "On a similar vein "

Australian schools use Bow-de-seea.

Leon Novello

Boudica

Posted by Al Sation <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Al+Sation' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 29, 2022, 7:10 am, in reply to "Re: On a similar vein "

however you spell it,or pronounce it..what a magnificent woman she was!

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Posted by Brickboy <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Brickboy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 2, 2022, 8:38 am, in reply to "Boudica"

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