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Emissions

Posted by pete__s <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=pete__s' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 24, 2023, 12:14 pm

It appears that the emissions from classic bikes form 0.05% of UK total. And that's not just the old enthusiasts and old clunkers like us it's all bikes from before 1992.

https://loopagency.co.uk/.../the-uks-classic-motorcycle.../

I'm not feeling so guilty now

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Posted by MadMike <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=MadMike' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 24, 2023, 1:40 pm, in reply to "Emissions"

On the basis that truly old motorcycles are not currently, and never were, measured for their emissions level one wonders how they caome to the 0.05% figure. I am also intrigued by the analysis which says that the greates number of bikes on the road is the Honda C90. Well perhaps they are right but frankly I have only seen about 5 bikes of this type on the local roads and they were possibly/probably not Honda's.

Remember there are lies, damned lies and then there are statistics.

Other opinions may be available but this one is always correct.

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Posted by Greeves Rider <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Greeves+Rider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 25, 2023, 5:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Emissions"

Like you MM I see very few Honda 90's 70's or 50's on the road, in fact I still ride one of the few Yamaha T80 Townmates still on the road. I often get approached by people who say. "I had one of them mate, Honda 90 aint it". It appears that Honda 90 is the generic term for the twist and go scooters.

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Posted by Will <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Will' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 25, 2023, 11:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Emissions"

Lets not forget they say "on the road" but what they mean is registered & taxed (even if the tax is zero) so it includes ones stashed away & rarely used. But from the number that appear for charity events, shows, "tiddler runs" etc and the quantity made I'm not surprised by the statistics.

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Posted by Lannis <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Lannis' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 24, 2023, 1:47 pm, in reply to "Emissions"

The regulations are not about pollution or percentages or statistics.

They're about control of the country, the economy, and of your life.

The emissions from China and India dwarf those from the West, and are only increasing.

Meanwhile, the insufferable scolds that are telling us that we'll own nothing and like it, and drive EVs, and eat bugs instead of cows, are jetting to Davos and their beachfront mansions creating more pollution in one trip than you and I will create in a lifetime of riding our old bikes.

Lannis

At no time in history have the people forcing other people into compliance been the good guys.

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Posted by CrazyFrog <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=CrazyFrog' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 24, 2023, 7:51 pm, in reply to "Re: Emissions"

Carbon Dioxide currently makes up 0.04% of the earths atmosphere, and man made emmisions account for 0.0016% of the atmosphere. Carbon Dioxide levels have been higher than this in the past, including during the last ice age, when, as far as I know, there weren't too many large 4x4 SUV's chugging around. In short, any climate change currently being experienced is well within the natural cycle of climatic fluctuations that have been happening for billions of years. There is absolutely no empirical scientific evidence to link man made CO2 emissions with climate change.

Voltaire said in 1765 something like 'If you can convince people of the ridiculous, you can convince them to comit atrocities'. More pertinent today is that you can control them.

The Motorcycle Action Group over here Lannis, is one of the very, very few organisations actually pointing out that the emperor isnt wearing any clothes, and im proud to be a member!

You don't have to be crazy to post here, but it helps....

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Posted by 6TDen <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=6TDen' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 24, 2023, 8:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Emissions"

Mind you CF I bet those Dinosaurs were responsible for a fair bit of air pollution.
Den

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You don't have to be crazy to post here, but it helps....

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Posted by JERRY <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=JERRY' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 25, 2023, 9:59 am, in reply to "Re: Emissions"

I do my bit as well Den...Phew!

The oldest rocker in town!

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Posted by Brickboy <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Brickboy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 25, 2023, 6:49 am, in reply to "Re: Emissions"

This makes interesting reading, as does the background article if you click on that.

https://climatechange.procon.org/

As far as I can tell (this is a US based site) then global warming is certainly caused by humans if you are a Democrat and definitely isn't if you are a Republican. These seem to be the clearest conclusions that can be drawn from all the data!

I suppose it does show how blind everyone becomes in their own goldfish bowl: to the rest of us looking in, for example, the massacres that happen so often in the state's are a consequence of the many privately owned guns. It's really obvious. To every American I have chatted with it really isn't. I wonder if Europeans think Americans are inherently aggressive and like shooting each other - I bet we could find some stars on that.

Lies, damned lies and statistics eh?!

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Hi Simon, yes I found that site about ten years ago when I first started to become a climate change heretic. It was the only place on the internet at the time, that I could find, that doubted the establishment narrative.

I do agree that we are all likely to seek affirmation of our own particular beliefs, whatever they may be. However, what frightens me most is the fact that no public debate is allowed on climate change. As soon as anybody challenges the narrative, they are villified and their careers usually abruptly terminated. No challange to the narrative is EVER reported on mainstream media. All of this makes me very highly suspicious.

There should be an informed and public debate, and I believe there should be a referendum too. After all, Net Zero will potentially push most people back into an almost pre industrialisation standard of living, apart from the select minority who will be greatly enriched. We should be allowed to decide our own future.

You don't have to be crazy to post here, but it helps....

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Yes, I'm with you there, CF although it would be nice to imagine a clear and unambiguous choice would be given. The Brexit debate doesn't really offer much hope for that tho!

As far as I can see, in Private Fraser's words, we are doomed. Not from any of the things we've mentioned but because of population growth. It's just maths really and the history of successful populations of any creature type reaching a tipping point. I suppose that itself is a consequence of the Victorian's working out the existence germs and how to stop them. Until then population was stable: now it looks to me like we really do need to eat, drink and be merry.

I quite like Lovelock's Gaia theory - that the earth is a self-regulating system and eliminates problematic species. Whether it's more an observation of effect or an explanation of cause is another question!

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Yes, 100% agree, population growth is the real issue, but you wont get any politician of any party to admit it!

Sad thing to say but im glad im in my 60's rather than 20's. As you say, eat, drink and make merry!

You don't have to be crazy to post here, but it helps....

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A workplace I was once at asked staff to write non-fiction articles to encourage thinking amongst students.

Mine was going to be: 'Why my 75yr old motorcycle is more 'green' than your electric car can ever be.'

Doesn't seem particularly controversial to me (blatantly obvious, you might say) but I decided I just couldn't face the BoF stereotyping and prejudice that I could imagine would follow its publication so I binned it.

Oh well, as far as I can see that fight for sanity and reason is long lost. In the meantime I think it's, eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow...

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Posted by pete__s <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=pete__s' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 24, 2023, 5:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Emissions"

On that emissions comparison,I have a report on a bit of research into the escooter hire schemes. The question was is it more carbon efficient to have them or not?

Now there are a range of parameters, do they replace car trips, bus trips or walking trips? Do they get picked up in a diesel van and driven off to be recharged before coming back in the same van? How long is that trip to the charge station and how was the electricity generated and the big one, how long do the things last? - we are talking just a few weeks for the early ones.

Mix all those at random to get a range of schemes, and 2/3 of them will create more emissions than if you had left thimgs alone.

Its actually one area where UK Govt has got it right, licence trial hires but don't legalise them in general, then if we decide we don't like them, we can close them down a lot easier. The bit that's missing is getting the self owned ones off the streets, but the police don't like confiscating and crushing them, the things catch fire!

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Posted by spriddler <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=spriddler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 24, 2023, 6:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Emissions"

United States Environmental Protection Agency

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data

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Posted by geoff the bonnie <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=geoff+the+bonnie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 24, 2023, 10:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Emissions"

Not many Honda 90s out riding now. They have become very valuable and sit indoors now. Not seen one on the road for quite a few years

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Posted by Ventus <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Ventus' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 25, 2023, 10:09 am, in reply to "Re: Emissions"

Interesting pie chart, Spridder, and the report indicates other 'facts' which one can interpret however one wishes.

It is correct that there has been higher/lower levels of carbon in the atmosphere over geological timescales. I think the main concern is that those changes were over tens of thousands or even millions of years, but now the rate of change is over decades, and is increasing.

I don't think just changing to EV's etc. is going to make any significant difference rapidly.

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My son and DIL are on a 3 month hol touring New Zealand and he emailed me yesterday from a glacier observation platform built for tourists 30 years ago. He said the retreating glacier is nowhere in sight - just a 4km view up the dry rocky valley.

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The bicycle is still the vehicle causing the most exhaust pollution. Especially when on a main road at 18 mph with 30 cars and lorries behind it

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I bought a Honda Cub 90 in 2012 with which to practice riding again after a big crash on the Matchless. My club chums graciously allowed me to join them on brunch runs. It was surprisingly quick around the lanes and I mostly kept up/caught up with them with a bit of spirited cornering.

A couple of months later I rode it 124 miles with camping gear to a rally but fell off whilst stationary waiting at the check-in gazebo, fracturing my elbow and arm. Luckily it was the already useless one. When I got back from hospital the ladies fussed me whilst I threw up (from the anaesthetic and pain relief drugs) whilst waiting for my son to collect me in the car. A pal trailered my bike and camping gear home for me.

I later 'graduated' to a Honda 125 on which I made several trips around France and a thrash to Spain and back just out of bloody mindedness.

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I passed my test on a Honda S90. It would nearly hit 60mph when i weighed 10 stone. I enjoyed that bike and learned how to change a piston which split. My first motorcycle repair with no help but a Haynes book. Sold it to buy a car and last time i saw it was at the local dump. Just a frame with the numberplate still fitted. KCR 23E

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