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UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by Greeves Rider <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Greeves+Rider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 11:59 am

https://about.ups.com/gb/en/social-impact/environment/sustainable-services/equads-in-the-uk.html How do they get away with these as bicycles that do not need registering or taxing with DVLA when privately owned electric scooters are banned?

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by geoff the bonnie <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=geoff+the+bonnie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 12:06 pm, in reply to "UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

One seater speed limited battery powered. A bit like a disabled 4 wheel machine i suppose and legislation has not caught on to this yet. I doubt it can be used legally on any road without registration and insurance. The problem begins if they are allowed to use cycle routes and then the cycle route ends at a road junction. I can imagine there will be a few pedestrian runovers in shopping precincts

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by Greeves Rider <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Greeves+Rider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 12:12 pm, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

They are being used on public roads, saw one in Cambridge recently.

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by ChazzyB <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=ChazzyB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 1:31 pm, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

They are 4 wheeled bicycles, with electric assistance to the pedalling.

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Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by Tonupdave <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Tonupdave' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 12:08 pm, in reply to "UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

Ye but they are carbon neutral just think if they have an accident what will they do with all that plastic and batteries plus all the copper wire..

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by ChazzyB <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=ChazzyB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 1:27 pm, in reply to "UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

Electric-assisted bicycles are legal. The pilot in the UPS equads are pedalling.

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Posted by tigerville <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=tigerville' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 2:34 pm, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

You can't call any vehicle with more or less than two wheels a bicycle!

AndyB

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by pete__s <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=pete__s' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 2:55 pm, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

Well...

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by tigerville <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=tigerville' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 3:30 pm, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

That's a tricycle and a quadricycle.

AndyB

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Posted by pete__s <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=pete__s' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 4:12 pm, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

Yes, but on the road, they are the same as bicycles. Who ever said our legislators could count?

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by Greeves Rider <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Greeves+Rider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 2, 2023, 8:24 am, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

I think electrics can be 'fixed' to give power without pedaling, the UPS driver I saw was not pedaling

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by pete__s <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=pete__s' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 2:50 pm, in reply to "UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

Its a bicycle, an electric bicycle. OK it stretches your concept of what a bicycle is but it fits in with the description of being pedal powered an electric assisted and no where do any rules say how many wheels it must have or how heavyit can be.

FYI There is a bit of concern in the planners on the safety of the cargo bikes. a 40kg bike with a 40 kg lod and an 80 kg rider moving at 15 mph can do a lot of damage and there are no construction regs, especially about pedestrian impact. I suspect this will change in future.

As for Scooters, they ain't bicycles so can be controlled. The big issue is safety as they move in the pedestrian space and the UK Govt has chosen to license trials by hire scheme. The plus for the Govt is they get to see the impact (pun intended) and if they decide not to license them, either by hire or personal then only the hire companies lose out and they knew they had short contracts anyway. If Govt had chosen to allow them and then decied the safety case was too much to ignore, then folk who had bought and used them legally would be pissed off and no Govt wants to make voters even more grumpy. If you see a privately owned one on the road today, its illegal so the owner can't complain if its never made legal. This is already hapening, in the UK Kent has terminated the trials early, France is restricting them and Singapore is thinking of banning them.

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by Tonupdave <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Tonupdave' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 3:00 pm, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

There's a proper electrics scooter near to me like a small Vespa in looks it says its electric and the company on the rear that would be the Number plate but no registration mark..is this correct???

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by pete__s <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=pete__s' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 3:34 pm, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

Quite possible - If it has pedals, is electric assist, up to 250W and the power stops at 15 mph, then its an ebike. You can ride that uninsured and unregistered at 14 yrs old ( which is why I think changes are going to happen)

The fact it may look like a vespa is irrelevant.

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by geoff the bonnie <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=geoff+the+bonnie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 3:39 pm, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

My 63 year old Sister has one of those Vespa style scooters. She was riding it 2 miles to work. Fell off on the second journey and its been parked ever since. It did have some sort of pedals you could pull out and pedal it but normally it was just the twist grip to go.

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by Tonupdave <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Tonupdave' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 3:49 pm, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

This has proper foot boards I need to have another look

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by pete__s <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=pete__s' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 1, 2023, 4:11 pm, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

Anything like this? Its a "bicycle"

http://eriderbikes.com/electric-bikes/model-21-electric-bike/

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by Leon Novello <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Leon+Novello' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 2, 2023, 12:01 am, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

Don`t let Jerry see this.

Leon Novello

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by JERRY <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=JERRY' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 2, 2023, 12:22 pm, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

Too late, grrrrrrrrrr

The oldest rocker in town!

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by pete__s <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=pete__s' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 2, 2023, 6:10 pm, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

Think of the fun you could have racing them ... figure of eight course would be best :-)

Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans

Posted by Brickboy <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Brickboy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 6, 2023, 1:18 pm, in reply to "Re: UPS Quad bike delivery vans"

Excellent, a way of smashing lesser cyclists and pedestrians out of the way. What could possibly go wrong?! It's a sort of bicycle Humvee. In my youth I learned that the bi, in bicycle and biped referred to the number two. Now it appears a dog could be a biped under this wonderful new understanding of the word...

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