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Well I never

Posted by Tonupdave <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Tonupdave' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:53 am

Just been reading the news about the 3000 workers at the VOLVO factory have been laidoff on the electric vehicle factory as sales have dropped and petrol cars gone up..

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

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Posted by Brickboy <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Brickboy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 1:01 pm, in reply to "Well I never"

Who knows why - only this morning I read EV sales up by 23% and petrol and diesel down by similar. It was in an article that said Tesla European sales have halved but tbh who knows if any of these stats are true... Would you ever trust a car maker to be truthful?

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Posted by Tonupdave <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Tonupdave' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 1:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Well I never"

I know that there are a lot of Volvo hybrids have recalls mainly inthe USA

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

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Posted by geoff the bonnie <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=geoff+the+bonnie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 2:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Well I never"

I had a mild hybrid Volvo and that one did very well although it could not move using battery power at all. It was a small battery that qualified it for a 3k Government payment making it cost less than a standard car. It gave a 15 bhp boost if full acceleration was needed. I found it added about 1 mpg over a petrol version. In 3 years use, the mpg was 36mpg for the total mileage i did.
Good car all round but very expensive to buy at 42k in 2020. It was still worth 28k after 3 years so not much depreciation.

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I find i am offered electric high spec cars at lower prices than petrol now after the 20k discount.
Volvo are actively making more petrol cars now as no one wants a 60k car that will travel 60 miles on an icy night like the one i test drove. At -4 degrees, power is limited as the batteries self destruct if loaded when cold.
I pity Jaguar who declared they have no petrol cars in their range.
Toyota hybrid without a plug in is brilliant but i wait to see next year what it value is when buying another car. It may be i buy a petrol only car as they are mostly doing about 53 mpg now by using high powered small engines.
My high powered 200 bhp 2 litre will easily do 63mpg locally once engine has heated, then it drives 60 percent on electric motor in the average A and B road use.
Motorway use brings 53mpg at 70 mph ish. I anticipate it might lose 25k of its value at 3 years. A petrol car may use more fuel but hybrid already cost 5k more to buy. Its been an experiment and the answer will come next year wether to buy a fuel only car.
EVs are not very popular here as most houses are terraced with no parking to charge. Each time i look at the local charging stations, i have only ever seen one car plugged in as i drive past.
Insurance rates are higher for EV cars as the repair costs are much higher. I have yet to see one that will get to Birmingham on a wet and dark Winter night where the range will be about 90 miles. I can drive there and back in one day without stopping for fuel on the way back. 450 mile range on the full tank but also has the battery capacity.

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Still stick to petrol less pollution
Notice nobody on here has an electric motorcycle.

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

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Posted by Greeves Rider <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Greeves+Rider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 8:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Well I never"

Electric is more expensive than petrol if charged on public charging points. My neibours son came 140 miles to see her this week, a recharge at local public point cost £30. Petrol would have been around £17 assuming car did 50mpg

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The Toyota 2 litre petrol engined hybrid puts out just 106 of the pollution figures. Lowest of all cars.
Yes, with petrol prices low at the moment it is more expensive to charge a car than to run one on petrol. When we have a lot more electric cars, the companies can cut down your charge by smart meter so you might get to go out and find the battery is low.
I always preferred diesel and had them for over 20 years until forced into petrol engined cars but got used to them now but needing 2 litre petrol to get the power of a diesel.
Apparently, the worst electric car is the VW I.D3 for problems. Jaguar had problems with most and refunded a lot of owners who just could not get to chargers and had to use recovery.
Meanwhile, my boys and Grandsons are still buying diesels and 3 and 5 litre petrol cars for their hobby cars. One just bought a 3 litre V6 BMW with 300bhp. The boy with the Corvette 5.4 litre engine has about 400 BHP. They are scary cars.

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Posted by Lannis <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Lannis' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2025, 1:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Well I never"

We'll never have a "lot more" electric cars Geoff.

What can't happen won't happen....

Lannis

I don't take health advice from people who think the world is overpopulated.

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Lannis, no one has looked at the lack of power stations here and rely on imported electricity from France. One Nuclear one is being built by the Chinese and when finished, the electricity price will rise 4 fold. If only they had build these power stations 20 years ago. Meanwhile, many car makers have stopped building EVs as the stocks are very high out in fields and on trading estates. Locally, there are hundreds sitting in storage . 8 chargers in our town now but i dont notice anyone using them,

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Posted by Lannis <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Lannis' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 30, 2025, 12:49 am, in reply to "Re: Well I never"

But you keep saying things like "...when we have a lot more electric cars...." as if you think that people will start buying lots of them.

EVs depreciate 50% here in 2 years; a petrol car takes 5 years to depreciate that much.

Nobody except people with a lot of money who don't drive much are buying these. The automakers are shutting down their factories.

Ten years ago, pundits and governments were saying that ALL cars would be required to be electric by 2025 ... Then 2030 ... Then 2035.

I was derided as being an ignorant Luddite with no vision for a Green future for calling BS on this every chance I got. But I was right.

The Climate Doomsday cult is dead.

Lannis

I don't take health advice from people who think the world is overpopulated.

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The EV future has failed here but mostly due to lack of chargers and weather in Winter which limits range a lot. What i do see is most owners of Tesla brand are youngish and small Ev owners are elderly. Of course, our electricity is the highest cost in the World now so no advantage having a battery car unless you already have a large solar array and battery storage. Of course, the solar and battery system will be about 20k so not a good idea at all.
Latest farce is air source heat pumps for domestic heating. 20K to install and the people who know, suggest it is not as economical as gas heating. Not very good at all in our old brick built 1900 houses.

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I use 3 air-source heat pumps to heat and cool my house and my garage.

Our electricity is $.058/KwH (a little less than 6 cents; I understand that yours is about 25p per KwH, about 5 times our cost), and we don't have gas laid on out here, so for us, they're very economical. My monthly electric bill for everything is $168/month including the heat pumps.

They're a pretty standard installation for the past 40 years here and work well.

Massively subsidized "green" energy warps the price of everything, which is why heat pumps are a "farce" for you. That will correct itself as the original solar and wind arrays wear out and break and don't get replaced, to be a blot on the landscape for decades to come ....

Lannis

I don't take health advice from people who think the world is overpopulated.

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Its 35p per kwh now Lannis. I like the idea of low energy equipment but so far, everything that could be good is not economical. I am lucky i have really good insulation for Winter although my neighbour, whos house is attached to mine has no insulation so heats his house at 6am. That heat goes through the wall and heats my house to 17 degrees in Winter and thats with no heating in my house. I just have to top it up a bit.
Quite funny that one of the family businesses installs solar panels but none of the installers have it on their own house as the repayment time is about 25 years. I have solar and batteries to light my garden lights but not enough for the house

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Posted by Leon Novello <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=Leon+Novello' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2025, 7:40 am, in reply to "Well I never"

We have a lot of electric cars go up in flames. Garbage trucks now have cameras in the back because people throw their batteries in the bin. When they catch fire, they dump the load on the road.

Leon Novello

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As my son says don't need horsepower on the road you need reliability his personal cars are two Skodas one for him and one for wife company car is an old BMW coupe which gets him to work and back every day a long way from home to work Okehampton to Saltash he does get the crossing free.and yes he's owned Porsches but sensible say Why would you want one when the speed limit is low it's just for show off "look what I've got"

Tonupdave..T.U.D.

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I did like the 1.6 diesels at about 129 BHP. That is about the power needed for safe overtakes now. Of course, the Mercedes 1.3 has 160 BHP and some 1.0 litre Fords are getting high BHP. I thought many years ago that 2 litre would always be enough for a road car. I used to do some long drives in a Peugeot 206 1.4 diesel which was ideal but low powered at that time.
These 3 cylinder engines many cars have now are good on fumes and economy.
At the moment, my 2 litre does more MPG than a 1 litre Toyota Aygo my Brother bought.
Next car may be a lower CC as markets change.
There is no big advantage of a large engine as the traffic just keeps speed down wherever you drive. My average going to Southampton is about 40mph.
Birmingham on motorway is fairly fast even with the variable motorway speed limits.
This time around, i did get a car much smaller than usual as its only for 2 of us and suitcases now.

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Posted by JERRY <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/classicbikemart/info/user=JERRY' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2025, 10:38 am, in reply to "Re: Well I never"

I have a Kio Rio three cylinder diesel that goes very well is incredible on mpg (68 to 70 on a run ) and zero road tax. It's all I need for todays motoring.

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