Just wondering what every one thinks about this thought of "New Higher Level Judging" process that Bob is thinking about at MCACN.? He stated in his last posting that they are working with Mascar Classics with new judging standards where no reproduction parts can be used,All matching numbers through out and factory style paint. What are your thoughts??
I do not like it, because It is not legal to spray Laquer paint, which polutes the environment. Very expensive if You can find someone who wants to do it. I tried to get Laquer for My car, but had to go with clear coat. A survivor car that has not been repainted should compete in a survivor class. I consider My car in the Modefied class, and should allow used nos parts, or original damaged parts. Not many restored cars are like the original ones off of the assembly line. The quarter panels and fenders should be NOS like I installed on My car, in case of point a 69 Impala with factory bulges. I just want My car seen after all these years. NICK L72427impalasportcoupe
Re: Higher level judging/ MCACN
Posted by Warren L. on 2/13/2020, 9:45 am, in reply to "Higher level judging/ MCACN" VIP Member and Board Expert
Where's that post? I looked on the Yenko forum but can't seem find it
Hi Warren, enter - unprecented responce for class of 1970 display, when it comes up then scroll down and you will see it. If that doesn't work for you let me know,Ron
Great posts. Nice to see a renewed level of activity on the Impala SS427 website. Things have gotten pretty quiet the last year or so. Great hearing the discussions on this subject.
I have always been impressed by how much investment, time, effort, knowledge, and perseverance is involved to present an 'original' car such as yours (and, of course, others who have done the same). I do feel fortunate that there is a "modified" class so that my Z24 can compete once in a while. Yes...I'd like to think that my car is unique, but to bring a vehicle to original status is awesome.
I agree with you 100%, life would be boring if we all thought the same. I loved looking at your car and when I saw it at Dayton I was very impressed. "Unique" is an under statement when it comes to your car,excellent workmanship went into your car. Hope all is well and you have a great spring,Ron
Hey Ron, I've seen pictures of your car and it's incredible. I'm curious, do they tell you what they dinged you with those 4 points? Has there ever been a 100 point car? I can't imagine a more perfect car than yours so I'm really curious what/ how they could've dinged you.
turri, Wow, thanks for your kind comments, you have made my day. To answer your question, I have never seen a 100 point car and I doubt there will ever be one. (2-13-20, I stand corrected by Gene, there have been 1000 point cars there) I lost one point due to a small indentation in my chrome molding that goes around the rear glass (probably happened when pushing it on the clips). I wont fix it because I fear I'll do more damage taking it off. Very slight scratches around the bright work around ignition key ( I did drive it as an every day car for 19,000 miles) probably could have been more care full putting in the key at times. They hit me (two points) because my hood installation does not have an indentation for the air cleaner, reproduction do not come like factory or I would buy one, cant correct that deduction. The judges have been very kind and I really have no complaint,other than the paint myself and my best friend did that car our self in my two car garage, I am very proud of that, I did not farm it out. I will go on record, my car has more NOS parts than any other 67,very,very few reproduction parts, very few. If you want to see a video go to utube and enter -Ron Hoeft 67 impala 427, With that , thanks again and hope to see you at a show some day,Ron
Although I personally have never been to MACAN, Glenn said it best, would put the average guy out of the game, (which really happened a long time ago), original paint would mean what? Lacquer or orange peel or what? Many States have outlawed lacquer, but I guess that wouldn’t stop it from happening. To me it’s about how we enjoy our cars, driving in a trailer or driving them? It would kind of leave the show to survivors, and true all legitimate survivors would leave either cars that are just that, door dings and all or .... well I guess we can’t have your cake and eat it too . So a GM replacement part for functionality be ok to use? Cause Donny always says, “that part is made out of unobtainium ” my favorite quote of his. Through the years we have been told laser straight, ALL nos, or better, most trailed cars are far nicer than they were new, let’s not kid ourselves. We all know that these cars were made for transportation, not as show cars in 50+ years, he (Bob) would need different classifications or no cars to show... So the “pebble beach” cars, 1 of 3 made legitimately, parts are not available and they have them made, so is that a reproduction part or ? Sure I get it, every body wants what they want, I drive my car, so I don’t worry about awards, to much bias and expense trying to out o the next guy, what one judge thinks may be different than another, and as many plants that were putting out these cars, who is going to prove and with what documentation on what was done where? Maybe Bob is getting to many requests for people to show their cars so he needs to find a way to thin out the heard, not sure. Some people have cash to burn and don’t care, others don’t, in the big picture it’s about preference, and working with one group on a “Higher” level of judging? Then what group will it be next year. Not that I don’t like over restored car, just hate to see them not being driven and used as investments. Preference When does good enough not become good enough? I guess it create maybe some more work for the industry
Just my 2 cents, an opinion... Just keep them alive!
Hey Ron, yes 100% too factory style paint, it's getting very popular over here also. Modern paint looks very nice but it does not look anything like original, these cars never looked like this ever. worth extra points for sure but not a rule ...
Not allowing the use of reproduction parts is a bad move, good used or NOS parts are getting harder and harder to find and as such can be very expensive and out of reach of the average guy ...
Matching numbers? I'm each way on this one, both my cars are matching and it's nice that they are, but I'm not sure it matters all that much, definitely worth more points but it should not be a rule used to exclude others ... One thing is for sure, if so called expert top quality judges get what arguably seemed to be a totally wrong judgement on a car like Ivans then introducing more rules is only going to confuse them even more ...
Rules that are worth an extra point or two are fine but having to many rules especially those that take others out of the game is bad business, you will reduce the amount of guys willing to show their cars and that will kill the sport of it all ...
Glenn, You bring up many good points, I think their idea is doing like Corvette has done for many years, its called "Bloomington Gold". I guess we will have to see what they come up with. Have a great day,Ron
on 2/11/2020, 3:04 pm
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