Don't let those two lead you astray mate,. GO right back to the basics lose all the fancy shit, simple rig, fresh bait, sharp hooks will see you right then find the fish, very your casts, move up and down the beach. been close to Panser is bad luck Anyway you know anything within a 30m radius is going to nail his bait, maybe its the sause he uses or its the playing with chickens.. Anyway get out there lads there's some good arvo - night fishing to be had. I'm going horse hunting tomorrow may even move it to tonight, what a day.