Whats up with the casting curcuit? I thought that the NZACA was putting together a plan to have regular casting days. Has everyone given up? There are no casting days in our area due to lack of venues. What are other clubs doing under their own umbrellas? I guess that the annual Postal Casting will still be on but where and when can we try out for that NZACA Comp. Wasnt Jock casting coordinator? I might be wrong but would like to get back on a casting court before I am too old or forget how to do it. Any ideas?The snapper don't know where the car park is! Sometimes it is better to travel than to arrive.
Re: Casting for fun.
Posted by ABU Man on 5/7/2014, 6:19 pm, in reply to "Casting for fun."
I see the NZACA National Competitions are 8th - 11th April 2015. You may have to wait until then.
I cant afford that amount of time away from work unfortunately. I didnt really like the charging all over NZ idea either. Guess that will change for next year. POstal Casting has to be done and delivered before DEcember I think so some regionals will have to happen before then. Waiting and hoping.The snapper don't know where the car park is! Sometimes it is better to travel than to arrive.
Re: Casting for fun.
Posted by Yoey on 6/7/2014, 1:39 pm, in reply to "Casting for fun."
Hello Gary. A phone call would have sorted this. At the present time, finding and securing suitable venues is no longer an easy thing. Also to hold these events it is an absolute prerequisite that the Convenor has a Public Liability Insurance. That means whomever is running it. If not, apart from the person running the event but also the owner of the land may be sued in the event of an accident. Jock to his credit holds one on the NZACA's behalf but he also has a farm to run and other things he needs to handle. I know he is working on Casting days and once they have been finalised then all will be revealed.
Thanks Yoey. My reason for putting it here was to see if any other clubs were holding casting days. I thought Jock was the man in charge of casting. I wait for all to be revealed.
How will this insurance angle affect club casting days? If we find somewhere to hold it.The snapper don't know where the car park is! Sometimes it is better to travel than to arrive.
Re: Casting for fun.
Posted by Phill on 6/7/2014, 8:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Casting for fun." Tackle Tactics
Hmmmmmmm, insurance is a problem and in this day and age probably not a bad idea. Other organisations I have been involved with have or did have an umbrella insurance, with a clear set of rules and systems in place . Events would be run as a sanctioned event with an event coordinator that has the correct guide lines and a little bit of training . Providing all the boxes are ticked they have cover. I do not wish to throw stones but we did have a series that did generate a growing interest in casting , it wasn't perfect but it was a start. AND THEN the powers decided to dumb it down and now it's dust. Wholesales , distributors and people that just want to improve their casting need these events . The quality and construction of rods in the recent past attest to this. Insurance is expensive and funding is at a premium , maybe the the NZACA may have to pull their collective heads out of their collective arses and take on board ideas myself and others have put forward in regards to funding streams. Well that should fire them up .
A poorly thought out response Phill. I thought better of you Bud. I would love nothing more than to be running quality high class casting Events. I have the utmost respect for those who put in the effort at this sport. Wow, do you not think we have taken on board all thoughts given. Do you not think that we have looked at so many possibilities as venues. I have been involved in Funding issues in many Organisations for many years and I can tell you it is not as easy as one would expect. Moreso in this day and age. Maybe take some time out to sit in and see the situation that we have been dealt. If you did you would see it makes such unnecessary responses even more disappointing. Throw stones if you have to but maybe facing up to the realities as they are and having some respect for those that have put their hands up to try and keep it together and keep the dream alive instead of thinking it is all good and rosy would go a long way to aiding us in going forward. AND!! maybe you would also realise we have got our collective heads out of the proverbial. Those comments were completely unnecessary. Just saying.
Re: Casting for fun.
Posted by Phill on 6/7/2014, 10:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Casting for fun." Tackle Tactics
Is that the best you can come up with, by trying to put me down you show the real colours flying above your group of Lemmings. I was passing on information and a possible solution to our current issues. As a person that is involved in the industry and a club member I have a right to my opinions . I have spoken to a number of people within our ranks who are afraid to speak their mind due to the way the Bruce Glass issue was so poorly handled and the bully boy methods used by those concerned . I know trying to reinvigorate the NZACA is an uphill battle , but pissing people like myself off is going to get you nowhere . I suppose no casting and the least numbers at the Nationals for some years is a sign of the times maybe. Open and frank discussion is what is required not I will let you know in time. Ask yourself this question, you had less than 100 at the last Nats where were the other 500.
Bruce Glass has a big history behind him that im sure you choose to ignore. He did the club he belonged to no service, but this is not the arena to speak poorly of him.
The facts are Phill, the NZACA was broke, had it continued, we would have been running at a loss and changes were needed and still are, however they are a work in progress. What was in place did not work, numbers declined rapidly over the past 5 years both in attendance and within the association. These are all facts you guys fail to ascertain.
The NZACA are actually very approachable. If you want to attend a meeting, and that goes for everyone, particular those with concerns and questions, I sincerely encourage it. Very open minded discussion are had.
The biggest problem the NZACA face is negative behavior and unfounded attacks. Although there was 100 people at the National, the feedback was excellent. Feedback was sought after the nationals and added to the process for the way forward. If you see something you don't like, why not make a positive of it and turn up to the meeting, request speaking rights and voice your opinion. Even better, if you feel you can make a difference, make a bid for an executive member, or present your idea. Some have in the past and they have fallen on deaf ears, but I can vouch for those who drive the ship like Yoey, he is very genuine and incredibly approachable. Yoey is a guy who puts his hart and sole into and does exceedingly good deeds for this association un-noticed.
Some people are very very quick to judge and pass comments without rationalizing facts, figures and analyzing everything infront of them. What was in place was not working, and the NZACA would not be alive another 12 months had it not taken another path. To be honest, what is currently on the table may not be 100% correct, it may not suit everyone, but we are putting in allot of time, allot of our own money to get there and doing our best to make things happen.
We don't get paid to go to these meetings, and for some of us we have to use annual leave, that leave would be much better spent being selfish and going fishing sometimes, but instead its our way of giving back. For me its over 10 hours on a round trip driving.
Changes to the casting were put in place for the Nationals so EVERYONE could cast with their fishing gear. With the exception of braid the rules are very simple which does bring an enjoyment factor to it. This change from the feedback I heard from those attending was all positive. If a majority felt it wasn't, it would not be the case, however we have to go with the majority and try to include and embrace as many clubs as possible, not just the elite. It is clearly stated that those who still want to cast under those rules can do so. The change is purely implemented to include more fisherman to have a go.
I can honestly say ive had my fair share of cracks at the NZACA on social media. From a positive aspect I accomplished nothing and learned a few lessons. If anyone wants to make a difference, help or believe they have a good idea...... Please, put your voice forward, contact any member on the NZACA through the NZACA web page and make a go of it. You will be pleasantly surprised at the response.
Just remember when your being negative and having an un-constructive crack, we are just like you, we are all fisherman and we do it for the love of it.
Chur
PS: Phill you need to get out fishing bro.........................Wairoa Hawkesbay
Take Nothing For Granted
Re: Casting for fun.
Posted by Phill on 6/7/2014, 11:52 pm, in reply to "Re: Casting for fun." Tackle Tactics
Well put on the most part Chad , but the lengths we must go to to get some sort of dialogue is amazing . I must admit I have an axe to grind on a personal level over the casting rules . Jock admitted to me that it was his decision to change the rules with no consultation . There was no need to change the rules for fishing gear so more people to cast . In fact less people are casting. Sometimes I make comments a little tung in cheek to motivate discussion . As far as being on the executive goes we have offered our services and expertise on a number of occasions and been turned away. Karen created the NZACA web site (the old one) and when the NZACA took it over and it went into disrepair we offered to look after it , but again we were turned away. We also sponsored the casting and again thrown aside without and discussion and if you saw some of the emails that were generated by executive members you would be a little bitter also. I have encouraged a number of people to join clubs over the years and we have formed our own small club down here. So in summery I think I / we have contributed in a positive way.
All I can say at this point is this. I have, as you know Phill, listened to so many Members in the past, raising just the issues you are raising here. It was quite clear to me many were very unhappy how the Association was being run. I agreed with them and have stepped up. It quickly became clear that there needed to be major changes to the Association. Not only to save it for a start but then to rebuild it. What has me most bewildered is that it is those who were the most vociferous about how poor the association was being run who are making the most noise and are anti over the changes we are trying to invoke to improve it for all of you. As an almost completely new Executive, it has been hard to get those who should have known better, to recognise the ship was rock bound, take control of the wheel and steer it away while those same people are not prepared to accept that there are any rocks and would prefer to point fingers while waiting until you hit them. I accept that in the past many felt that they weren't listened to. However, in this position I can honestly say, all those who wish to be heard are. In the case regarding the Nationals change I can truly say that every submission sent in was addressed. However as you know there needs to be a final call and they were made by what we believed was the best for the majority after all those considerations. Already I have heard from sources that "I put in a submission and it was completely ignored". The reality is, it wasn't ignored it simply didn't become part of what was implemented for any number of reasons. Every single submission was addressed. Absolutely. Chad has covered most of what I was going to say, so all I will add is, as the President I am more than happy to travel anywhere to discuss the NZACA and hear your concerns. I have already proved that I am prepared to do that. Lastly. The thought that this Executive is a bunch of bullies is a sad perception. I would suggest those outside the Executive would not know exactly what occurred in the recent past and how we ended up in the very disappointing situation we did. I have said so many times in so many forums, not one of us became Officers of this Association to become embroiled in the type of issues we did and nor did we want to take the final action we did. Such decisions are huge and only taken when all else fails.
Re: Casting for fun.
Posted by Phill on 7/7/2014, 10:04 am, in reply to "Re: Casting for fun." Tackle Tactics
Thanks Yoey for your reply, I agree with a lot of what you say. This morning I have had calls regarding this subject, the sad part is that they will not put pen to paper so to speak for fear of being put down in some way,so it seems up to me and a few others. I know that you guys have the NZACA at heart, but keep us informed other wise the rumour mill starts grinding away. On that note Facebook is great for those that it have but it is a short term fix, here today gone in a minute. Carry on.
I would add and support Phill's summing up of the Facebook as a vehicle for dispersing information. It is easy to miss messages and after an hour they are generally gone. That is where the Message Board is good you can come to it at any time and catch up.
Then again maybe I dont understand Facebook.The snapper don't know where the car park is! Sometimes it is better to travel than to arrive.
on 4/7/2014, 7:17 pm
