Come on guys. You need to be aware that not everyone is following Facebook everyday and that messages sent can be quickly swallowed up and missed. There are potential casters for the next event waiting to hear when it is. If you want a good following and to increase numbers then maybe its worth letting people know on here of news and what about starting a list of competitors and letting them know updates and date changes on a personal basis in case they miss it from elsewhere. A data base would quickly grow from the fifteen casters last weekend.The snapper don't know where the car park is! Sometimes it is better to travel than to arrive.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Phill on 6/8/2015, 7:03 pm, in reply to "NZACA" Tackle Tactics
I agree with you Gary. Face Book is good can be entertaining BUT as you said here now gone in two seconds if you don't save stuff . Unfortunately Yoey and others on the executive mostly post on FB ,not posting elsewhere including the NZACA web page. It has never been easier to spread the word . On that note it seems to take an age to get the minutes of executive meetings.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Yoey on 6/8/2015, 7:35 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA"
Here is how it is and will remain. The NZACA has a Facebook page and a Website. The two of you get the information and are welcome to share it. I do not see why it should be our/my job to grace every Message board. Phill, you are the Admin for this discussion forum, why aren't you passing on the info???? You received the flyer from the NZACA Secretary. Or you Gary, you are getting the information, pass it on. Everyone else does. This is not the NZACA information outlet or do we need to hold your hand.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Phill on 6/8/2015, 8:46 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA" Tackle Tactics
Tackle Tactics have always supported the events and promotions of the NZACA and its affiliated clubs events. The casting event was promoted in posts on this forum, they may not have been promoted as per the flyer but they were promoted. The NZACA and its clubs have always been able to post on both the events callandar and the message board, BUT I believe it is their responsibility to post ,that way the information is or should be correct. As far as I am aware there is only to main message boards targeting surfcasters Tackle Tactics and the Fishing dot net forum , that can't be that hard can it. I believe both Gary and myself are just trying to give some constructive suggestions.
Re: NZACA
Posted by GaryK on 6/8/2015, 9:37 pm, in reply to "NZACA"
Only trying to help and encourage more casters as well as offering an idea to hold on to the ones you have. Its not hand holding its communication.
The snapper don't know where the car park is! Sometimes it is better to travel than to arrive.
Re: NZACA
Posted by minxiebop on 8/9/2015, 10:49 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA"
I cannot believe the hostility coming from this organisation(nzaca), I truly believe there needs to be a change of leadership. no wonder clubs are pulling away, they cant even ask a simple question, they get their heads bitten off, told off, told what to do, verbally abused, not listened to etc etc! oh and some have been threatened! not an organisation I would want to be a part of!. The leader is clearly not a people person, time for a change in leadership? for goodness sake people just want to go casting and fishing and enjoy! there is so much hostility in the world today, call me old fashioned but please make the nzaca a friendly organisation like it used to be years ago.there is a lot of hurting clubs/people out there that will not rejoin because of this rubbish! the nationals used to be a highlight of the year, a fun competitive week with catching up with friends and socialising, sure there was the odd issue but that was always resolved and we moved on, we had good strong leadership who really cared and were kind and passionate, just my thoughts take it or leave it and again I say Change the leadership!
Re: NZACA
Posted by Yoey on 8/9/2015, 11:39 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA"
Clearly Minxie, whoever, you have no idea what you are talking about. Pulling away, really. Joining more like. 24 Clubs now including one from the South Island and others looking to join. A powerful Leadership that listens and responds and is set on improving all the time. Representitive at all levels including at Government. The NZACA is nothing like what you say. I don't mind you having a go but get your facts right and be truthful. Nothing you have stated is fact, nothing. Oh and don't hide behind an alias. Jim Yeoman. President NZACA.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Hangler on 8/9/2015, 3:50 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA"
Yoey, I first joined the NZACA more years ago that I care to recall, certainly not far off forty years ago. In those days there were genuine problems with communication as everything was done via New Zealand post. Now, with E-mail, life is so much easier.
In the last NZACA news letter I read, and this was only a matter of a few weeks ago, you reported openly and honestly on the problems you guys took on: an organisation that was damn near broke and, from memory, a base of only nine clubs remaining. Anyone with a half mind will appreciate the problems you guys faced and the excellent work you have put in to try and regroup ... well done you.
I am not a club member, club fishing holds no appeal, with totally open boundaries I believe the camaraderie of yesteryear has finished. Where anglers fish as a group not separated by huge boundaries on club days. I also dislike the the way many clubs have become money orientated instead of fishing orientated, sadly everything nowadays revolves around the dollar and for the life of me I can't understand why. Don't start me on the points system. We had it so hard, we weighed the fish and gave a prizes to the winners and this was the ordinary club competitions. Life was oh so simple, it took a few minutes at the end of the year to work out the club champ and those who had won the silverware.
To the point, would it not be possible for the NZACA to ask clubs to have a member elected as the NZACA information representative for gathering and spreading updates? One man, perhaps the secretary, who can access the website and then notify club members.
As in all organisations information is a two way event. At club meetings there is an agenda and part of that agenda is correspondence and matters arising. I can't see any difficulty in one volunteer gathering information for the club members and then, via a club newsletter, spreading the news.
Yoey, the flack you are coping is very unfair but I have to say the organisation has never really found favour especially with ordinary anglers, the NZACA seems to be totally club orientated and yet there is probably no other game or sport that has such a huge number of participants. Surf casting is probably New Zealand's largest participant sport, yet the number who belong to the sports administering body are truly few and far between. Until this problem is sorted out, I fear you will never appeal to the average angler and I include myself in that category.
As long as my bum faces downwards I will never understand why there isn't a NZACA spokesperson at major club competitions. At prize giving, he may have anything up to a thousand anglers he (or she) can talk to and hand out flyers explaining the association's aims, goals and contact numbers.
I happily accept I will now be shot to pieces by certain Pania members, was it ever thus. Good luck with your endeavors Yoey, however, I fear you have someway to go and I can't see much changing anytime soon. I was always taught you get out the equivalent to what you put in and I gather that is not the case here.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Yoey on 8/9/2015, 6:23 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA"
Hangler, thank you for your opinions. Appreciated and it gives me the opportunity to clarify some misconceptions. Let me start with your comment "I was always taught you get out, the equivelent that which you put in and I gather that is not the case here" Oh how wrong you are. I am proud to lead a very good Executive and I am more than happy with what we have achieved in this last eighteen months. Whilst we always strive for better, I can openly say the NZACA is in a much stronger position, both financialy and membership wise. Our relevance is in a stronger state than it has been for a long time. We can debate the Club issue till the cows come home but the NZACA is owned by those Clubs Affiliated (24 now, a long way from nine) and is not its own entity. In eighteen months so much has changed and our place and purpose is recognised in many areas. Regarding the dispersal of information. All relevant info goes to all Clubs via their appointed rep. It then goes to all of those of our membership that have provided contact email addresses. It then goes on the NZACA Website and is listed on the NZACA Facebook page. I believe that we cover our news information superbly well. I also believe it is up to those who manage any media outlets or forums who gather that info, to post it. I expect people to step up. It is not our job to jump on every outlet. Re not finding favour with the ordinary angler. Somewhat true but I don't see it that way. Almost 3000 members of our facebook page. While people catch fish, the majority aren't concerned with representation. I am seeing a change. It is going to get worse. All around the country. Fishing I mean, it is becoming a huge issue. I am already seeing a swell in those looking for representaion and I am putting the NZACA up to be just that. A long way to go? No, the Association has turned the corner, we have bought many Clubs back into the fold and all of the bigger Surfcasting Clubs are on board. Sure there are others I would welcome back. I have offered my time, but I am now looking after those who have stayed loyal and those who took up the time to listen to me and without fail, reaffiliated. I would also like to mention our South Island Club. A couple of other issues. With respect, please don't question the Pania Club. You have not belonged for a long time. It doesn't operate as you portray. It is hugely user friendly and very much family orientated. Finally. Back to the NZACA. I am hugely proud of where this organisation is. Those who are actively involved know how huge this Association is now. Its relevance is unquestionable across so many spectrums. From the Facebook page, our Clubs, to those other organisations such as the Sport Fishing Counciland LegaSea, right up to the Ministry and Government. We don't have a long way to go. There is much to do but we are well on the way.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Hangler on 8/9/2015, 8:55 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA"
Yoey, the quote you start off with is not regarding your organisation, it is critique of all those who continually complain when in fact they could so easily help.
You have mentioned the NZACA are doing a superb job of circulating information, I am happy to take your word for it. However, it does tend to bring into question what is being complained about in this thread: a lack of information. Certain posters want even more from you and now expect you to put notices on message boards for them. If as you say the information is being sent out, why on earth can't someone else cut and paste it onto a message board, it's not rocket science.
My post was a compliment for the the work you have done to rebuild the chaos you inherited. Try reading what I have written again, you may be pleasantly surprised.
Re: NZACA
Posted by Yoey on 8/9/2015, 10:02 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA"
My friend, You have nailed the issue right on the head. The two that raised the matter were both aware of, had received the information, read the Flyer, knew all the details yet chose to question and criticise because the Association had not posted on this forum. Consequently my response. I completely agree your post was, on the whole, very complimentary and I certainly appreciated the fact it drew some things to point. I was merely taking the opportunity to clarify some of the misconceptions that surround thoughts of others. Whilst making the point re Pania was directed, my post was not a dig at you and apologies if that is what it seems.
Re: NZACA
Posted by GaryK on 18/9/2015, 6:40 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA"
Yoey it seems that you cannot always recognise when Someone is trying to help you. My comment origonaly was to introduce your work to others who may have been unaaware of what was being done in NZACA and particularly with casting. I was trying to help. You will have noted that I turned up at the first (new)casting with a reader of this forum and 3000 facebook fishers did not.The snapper don't know where the car park is! Sometimes it is better to travel than to arrive.
on 6/8/2015, 1:25 pm
