Fiat Bravo 1.2SX 16V 2000 - MOT emission failure #
Posted by George Georgiou on February 4, 2009, 6:56 pm
Year of Manufacture *: 2000 Engine Code or Type *: Petrol ( Optional ) Scanner used: Launch
Car failed MOT , same as last year only do not know what dealer did to pass it . Customer said new cat was fitted last year , perhaps this masked the problem and allowed a pass. In between MOTs car has only done about 4000 miles.
On this year fail the main dealer suggested a blown head-gasket. The customer took it to another garage who tested for gasket failure and found none. But after all their tests including inspection of the cat by dropping the exhaust, declared a fueling problem and went no further.
The car also has a very low idle on cold start 500-600 rpm almost cutting out and needs revving to keep it stalling for the first few minutes. Also looks like someone has cut wiring to idle control valve signal wires back to ECU only to re-connect it with butt crimps (very poor work but continuity fine) , perhaps they were trying to test the Idle control or trying to fudge the idle.
On my exam only one fault code present PO443 Evap Canister Purge Valve Circuit malfunction. Code cleared and did not come back. Suspect dealer+ previous garage working on trying to solve MOT emissions disconnected the sensor and caused fault, as testing the valve showed no malfunction.
The MOT results from previous year were almost identical to this years test .CO 8%/ HC 291ppm/lambda 0.772. The second garage to have a look at it put in a new Lamda sensor and CO went down to 5% on a re-test.
I managed to test the ECT, MAP, Evap Canister Purge, Idle control motor and two of the 4 Injectors were tested all good. Injectors 1 & 4 tested for voltage and current ramp 72 Volt peak/ 0.8 Amp peak/ 3.0 mS on time/engine hot. The O2 sensor stuck on high 0.9V indicating a fixed Rich mixture. With WOT the O2 would start to dip on opening the throttle then recover back to Rich.
I still needed to somehow test the two middle injectors do fuel tests and smoke tests for leaks etc.
But I ran out of time and as I was finishing up I found by accident that the car would hunt up and down on revs if I held the throttle at 1800 rpm . Not a misfire as such but clearly engine revs going up and down consistently. I then lifted all spark leads and found number 3 had developed a hole in the side (sparking quite well through insulation) and number one lead was putting out quite a weak spark.
Customer wanted to replace leads/sparks/coil pack and do an emission only test to see if this solves the problem. So I stopped short of completing my diagnosis. He will take it back to MOT station to re-test once new parts were fitted. I hope for his sake and mine that this solves the mystery.
My question about all this is: If the throttle/idle control unit is as I suspect at fault for the low revs when cold, is it also likely to affect the emissions as well? The car idles well once warmed up and gives no sign of a misfire as such either at idle or on WOT.
All ideas, thoughts, experiences welcome. My money is on one of the two untested injectors.
George
Re: Fiat Bravo 1.2SX 16V 2000 - MOT emission failure #
This is not what you want to here I am sure. I crawled up my own arse last year on one of these. Emissions were all over the place & vital signals were all within spec (at times).
After many hours of testing, the trader customer presented me with a donor car. Eventually the ECU was swapped & it everything came into line.
At times I had a perfectly switching O2 sensor, which I assumed I meant Stoichiometric gasses were entering the cat, but the emissions were still way off. I have to confess that I did blame the cheap aftermarket cats that the customer had fitted, based on the O2 sensor waveforms. & I had tried a genuine Lambda sensor too, it made no difference.
Great this job innit!
Regards
Dave
Re: Fiat Bravo 1.2SX 16V 2000 - MOT emission failure #
Hi George, Have you tested the vacuum on the vehicle? Low vacuum will cause you all sorts of emission/idling problems on a Fiat with a MAP fitted? Another check is the valve timing (this should however show on your Vacuum readings) 16v Fiats can easilly be set incorrectly and can also cause emission/idling faults? Please also remember that continuity testing of a length of cable either side of a connector is not a valid test for diagnostic purposes! A cable might show continuity, but it does not mean that it is able to carry a current, ie: A stepper motor requires a good supply of voltage & draws a fair current, but your cable may have been chopped to say 2 or 3 strands of wire within the connector, hence you will have continuity as the two cables are connected to one another, but 2 or 3 strands will not be able to carry a good current or supply a good clean ground???? this may also be a cause of idle/emission problems as well? Sorry to have gone on a bit, but I hope that this has been of help to yourself George, Gunner.
Re: Fiat Bravo 1.2SX 16V 2000 - MOT emission failure #