BB: Merry old England.
GH: All right, so letís just jump right into things. Youíre no longer here in America. It is late as hell over there isnít it?
BB: Iíve been planning my departure for a couple years [00:01:09] and just to add insult to injury I announced my impending departure first on Russia Today a couple of years ago after the Federales re-arrested me for giving interviews to Vice and PBS when I was entirely legally allowed to do that.
And so, I left for Antigua about a month and a half ago, and I left from Antigua about a week ago, I set sail as it were, on a plane, to England and arrived here safely and now Iím an Englishman. So there you have it.
GH: So [00:01:39] weíve got enough time here go back a little closer to the beginning of all this. There are a few people who know some of our background and most people donít out there, and Iím sure some of the viewers will too, but I always find it interesting to kind of start out this way.
So, when I first learned of you, it was an article you had written in the Huffington Post and it was an article where you so strangely [00:02:09] said that some of the tactics that me my friends were putting together there over at Anonymous, were going to be used to take down nation-states in the future.
Whether it was us or some other entity using the strategies, and I of course, initially thought you were insane, and then I reached out to you anyways, because I loved the idea, and I sent you an email from one of our more official-looking [00:02:39] email addresses, even though of course, nothing is official, but it was Anonymous at why we protest dot net Just to kind of make the point of Ďitís one of usí.
You responded and after a few days we got to talking and I think it was a week or so later that I invited you into some of the chats and thatís kind of how you met up with a lot of the people on our side of things, but it wasnít that long later that we were kind of working in Op Tunisia and Op Egypt [00:03:09] actually doing what your article said. Until those Tunisians showed up in chat, I thought you were insane on that one point.
BB: Well, I might have been. I mean a stopped clock is right twice a day and if youíre a crazy clock that just hits all kinds of numbers throughout the week, youíre going to be right about a couple of things and then only those things would be remembered.
So, itís just like cold reading. But [00:03:40] just like our opposite numbers in the military and intelligence communities of the world we, you and I, well you first, were cognizant of what the power was that existed in these new forms of collaboration and so forth. We saw they were weapons.
You guys took the lead in turning what was not yet a fully realized weapon into a weapon to an extent that the next 13 years to follow since the activist [00:04:10] portion of anonymous began, was responded to in very significant ways that I will always treasure as recognition from the GCHQ and NSA and CIA, the FBI and DOJ and Palantir and HBgary and so forth, recognition that I was right.
We were weaponized, that we did have a grasp on something that could and would inevitably be used to confront nation states and institutions that are corrupt [00:04:40] through and through on their own turf and win. And push back." https://barrettbrown.medium.com/barrett-brown-on-pursuance-ae7a2255b11f So what's he doing in there with the police?