I think this was referred to in a You-Tube video by Ben Norton. I can't find it now.

Cheers John. You rattled my memory. I thought I had a link to that vid, which btw was excellent. Cannot find it either on the Grayzone or Moderate Rebels. Even read a book recommended by Ben .. which I can't find now : ).

Thanks for the Saunders vid and the book link .. I'll make sure I save them .. this time.