Both guys are well versed on the subject. Pleasure to listen to them. Definitely worth archiving.

He says: [Hydrogen is] is considered (as a) .. Swiss-army knife for decarbonisation and source of energy in the future.

@23:09 he says: [Hydrogen is] fuel of the future but the problem is, it is very unlikely to be fuel of the present.

He listed a number of items that need to be solved since it is a potential greenhouse gas, generates nitrous oxide when burned resulting in acid rain i.e. toxic etc. etc.

@30:00 now and can't wait until they get into thermodynamics

And yeah .. Jim is our subject headline 'analyst'. He was exuberantly happy to correct your headline and then talk about things that don't relate directly to the content - in essence whataboutery. Nature of the beast.