'The reason I was making that (pragmatic) argument is because of not wanting to stress the working people' - agreed that's an important thing to take into account on the policy level. Thunberg's strength is in making the general case for societal change based on climate science and in calling out phoney greenwash 'solutions'. Haven't seen her advocate any specific programs, other than generic rewilding/tree planting 'natural solutions', in cahoots with 'my friend George':





But, as we saw with the Gilets Jaunes and lately with the Dutch farmers, if efforts to change aren't made equitably then it's a recipe for (justified) class outrage. Ultimately, any serious attempts to decarbonise society, including the degrowth that has to happen in order to bring us back within planetary limits, is going to be massively painful, including for working people, there's no getting around it unfortunately. That's why I don't think it's ever going to happen as part of government programs, and the issue is going to be forced by peak oil and societal collapse. To be honest, I expect that would lead to better outcomes for ordinary people than if the elites & out-of-touch professional classes try to enforce the policies they'd like to see (while holding on to their wealth & privileges) - though it will prob need a revolution to stop collapse also leading to further elite retrenchment & neo-feudalism...

Thanks for the inside scoop on the coal / carbon capture stuff. I can't imagine how it's ever going to work, except as more greenwash, but interesting to hear they're pushing ahead with it. Agreed on getting rid of the nukes.

cheers,
I