More importantly, and thanks for diverting my attention, this conversation, with Ali Abunimah, is truly a jewel. All about settler colonialism. The essence is, to my mind, how far are these people being genocided in each of these colonies? It's not a new subject for lil' mua. Some determined research in Sydney library + visits to local communities did the trick in 90's, for Oz anyways. As a note, research in demographics over time would be interesting to describe *that* bit of evidence/info. Just bare facts. Not sure what I was thinking then, but seems to be on a same trajectory now. In fact, I have developed a modest research proj on that theme fwiw.