Thanks for responding and giving an honest assessment. I can't do it justice since my enemy is time. Hence I'll have to surf in accordance with my priorities and try to be succinct (also time related).

I suppose a tribe can relate to a state : ). My first consideration is what can the tribe/state do for me, and second would be what can I do for the tribe/state. The order is determined by my suspicious nature and secondly to do with my abilities. Ownership by my tribe/state of infrastructure including healthcare, means of communication and political decisions is probably the tip of the iceberg as far as the consideration of desirable attributes. Unfortunately we are nowhere near to that ideal scenario imo. Anarchism to my mind is probably the ideal system one could aspire to .. as I try to parse through all different tries (the early primitive ones win hands down). Socialism .. erm .. disappearing beyond horizon as we speak. Unfortunately at the present moment neither are gonna happen. I don't have a straightforward answer. Cheers ...