- Farage gets the flak cannon treatment Archived Message
Posted by Raskolnikov
on May 7, 2019, 7:34 am
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I noticed this "story" yesterday evening and thought of posting something about it, but this morning it's gone to the "main" piece on the fraudian's front page so someone is pushing it hard. https://www.dumptheguardian.com/politics/2019/may/06/nigel-farage-under-fire-alleged-antisemitic-tropes-far-right-us-talkshow-alex-jones RIght away let me say I'm not defending Farage, or Alex Jones, but it appears to me that they are using them as placeholders if you like to attack dissent and any kind of commentary outside the accepted orthodoxy. Farage and Jones have a relatively small amount of support and are mostly disliked, if not despised, so they can attribute all kinds of things to them and, by association, paint the speech as unacceptable rather than the personalities; playing the ball via the man if you like. There's also the suggestion that this is more anti-semitism flak, timed to coincide with not only the latest murderous barrages in Gaza, but also to set the tone before the Eurovision Hand Wringing Contest. Nigel Farage is facing strong criticism from Jewish organisations and a series of other groups after it emerged he repeatedly took part in interviews with a far-right US talkshow host, during which the Brexit party leader openly discussed conspiracy theories, some of which have been linked to antisemitism. "...and a series of other groups", who remain unnamed. The only groups named in the article are, you could almost guess, The Board of Deputies of British Jews, and the Community Security Trust. A Guardian investigation has found Farage has appeared at least six times on the show of Alex Jones, who was sued by bereaved parents after claiming a US school shooting was faked, and was banned permanently from Facebook last week. While I find his Sandy Hook ideas disgraceful, this doesn't have anything to do with the Farage interviews and looks to be just poisoning the well. Among those expressing alarm at the spread of conspiracy theories is a father whose six-year-old son died in the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting, and a man whose son died in the London bombings on 7 July 2005, which Jones has claimed were a government plot. They then continue in the same vein, tugging at the heart strings and then out of nowhere throw in a reference to 7/7. Clearly trying to discredit anyone that questions that particular narrative by association. In his various appearances on Jones’s show, Farage discussed themes commonly associated with an antisemitic conspiracy theory that Jewish financiers are behind a plot to replace nation states with a global government. In the six identified interviews, which date from 2009 to last year, Farage, whose Brexit party is leading polls for the upcoming European elections, repeatedly uses words and phrases such as “globalists” and “new world order”, which regularly feature in antisemitic ideas. Finally they get to the actual interviews and it turns out some of them are nine years old. They've only just discovered this? Also, the phrases "globalists" and "new world order" are now anti-semitic? They "regularly feature in anti-semitic ideas"? What the actual #### does that really mean? He used phrases that are included in things other people say that might have been anti-semitic? This is surely weak sauce. In the interviews, Farage also says: Also says? You haven't quoted ANYTHING he said yet, just "he used phrases", etc. Members of the annual Bilderberg gathering of political and business leaders are plotting a global government. The banking and political systems are working “hand in glove” in an attempt to disband nation states. “Globalists” are trying to engineer a world war as a means to introduce a worldwide government. Climate change is a “scam” intended to push forward this transnational government. Notice the extremely limited quoting here; one word twice and three words once. Hardly a verbatim extract, no? Ok, the climate change scam thing is pathetic, but the banks and political class working together to get more power and money for them and less for everyone else? I'd say that's exactly what they do and it's the whole point of the Bilderberg meetings. They are trying to start a world war? That also looks pretty accurate to me; you could argue that when it comes to foreign policy and armed force, groups like NATO already try to override national government. I don't see that much that's "out there" in these non-quotes. I'm happy to be corrected though, so please do so. In an earlier interview with Jones, who is also banned from Twitter, Farage mentions Bilderberg, saying: “These lunatics genuinely believe that they know what’s best for us, genuinely believe in this concept of global government, and it will be a disaster.” See? Banned from Twitter. He HAS TO BE a wrong 'un. Later in the same interview, from June 2010, Farage argues Bilderberg members, along with other supposed plotters, could soon start “censoring and maybe ultimately even imprisoning those who challenge them and fight them”.  And they said irony was dead. How is this incorrect in any way, fraudian? A spokesman for the Board of Deputies of British Jews said: “It is vital that our politicians distance themselves from conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists, including those who trade in antisemitic tropes. We would call on Nigel Farage to repudiate these ideas and to commit not to dignify oddball nasties like Alex Jones with his presence again.” The Community Security Trust, which monitors antisemitic sentiment, said Jones was “a notorious conspiracy theorist who should be beyond the pale for any mainstream politician”. A spokesman said: “Furthermore, for Jones’s conspiracy-minded audience, Farage’s references to ‘globalists’ and ‘new world order’ will be taken as familiar codewords for antisemitic conspiracy theories.” The usual suspects with the usual noises. It's pretty clear who is driving this bus. The remainder of the article goes to people who lost children at Sandy Hook, or in 7/7; more emotive blackmailing ending with the quote: “When people in positions of authority or influence consume, perpetrate, and regurgitate conspiracy theories, they legitimise the lie, they normalise the hate, and build policy that affects every citizen on this planet.” So believe everything we say and don't question and you'll be fine. Then, FINALLY, they provide some actual quotes. A few of them are a bit mental such as: Farage: “If America, as the leader of the western world, once again becomes the leader of the free world, well then I think, basically, we will have done away with the globalists.” but then you have: Farage: “Yes, it all fits together, doesn’t it? Hand in glove – the big businesses, the bureaucrats, they have the sole right to make laws. It all fits together. They’re all very happy with the world they’re creating.” Farage: “The fact is that the banking system and politics became hand in glove – one and the same thing. And that’s been a complete disaster. The amazing thing is, we have had elected prime ministers in Greece and Italy removed by the bully boy bureaucrats and replaced by former Goldman Sachs employees. You honestly cannot believe what is going on.” I don't see much wrong there at all and it's here, where they actually state the positions after all the smearing and flak, that I think they are trying to discredit by association. I might be way off-base here but this all looks like part of the increasing attempts to control and shape what is and, more usually, isn't acceptable to say. I don't for one moment want to defend Farage or Jones; I don't care for either of them, but this kind of thing is beginning to look sinister. |
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