Re: Catte at OffG, all her splendid guns blazing, shoots down the 'Amazon burning!!!' orchestrated panic Archived Message
Posted by John Monro on August 28, 2019, 9:26 pm, in reply to "Catte at OffG, all her splendid guns blazing, shoots down the 'Amazon burning!!!' orchestrated panic"
Rhisiart, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. We've already had this discussion below. The so-called "hysteria" is a result of people actually beginning to take global warming seriously; significant parts of the Amazon are being bulldozed or burnt or both with the compliance of an extreme right wing and anti-environmental Brazilian president, that surely that is reason enough for a great deal of reasonable concern. You call it hysteria, I call it a sign that some people in charge are beginning to get the message about climate change. So all this discussion about whether or not these fires area record is basically irrelevant, and I started reading the article you posted but I couldn't be bothered to complete it. The fact is that the Amazon is shrinking. That for a few years the rate of Amazonian destruction abated but under Bolsonaro it's got much worse. I made that point last time, I can only repeat it. 1,330 square miles of Brazilian Amazon forest have been lost since January, when Bolsonaro took office, not far off the area of Greater London. Total Brazilian forest loss since 1970 is around 300,000 square miles (about 20% of the forest). which is greater than the combined area if France and Ireland. The rate of loss in the last few years has been about a third of rates at the turn of this century but is now accelerating. 80% of this land is converted to the international beef trade, either by growing soy or by cattle ranching, both controlled by huge multi-national corporations. The meat trade is one very large part of agricultural damage to our ecology and climate. Much of this landscape will lose fertility quickly, unless industrial scale fertilisers are applied - which I'm sure is hardly what you'd wish to see. So I say again - what is your "beef" with Macron and others who are at last waking up to the real peril of climate change? And why are you so dismissive of those who might be wishing to bring Bolsonaro to some account? Large numbers of Brazilians are protesting. Many have breathing in the smoke. OK, maybe they've been breathing in the smoke for years, but that's not the point, they've reached the end of their tether and they're fed up with wealth and greed ruining their country - just like we are?
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Message Thread:
- Catte at OffG, all her splendid guns blazing, shoots down the 'Amazon burning!!!' orchestrated panic - Rhisiart Gwilym August 28, 2019, 5:21 pm
- And as she and all her colleagues at Off-G assert, they're all dead against forest burning; they - Rhisiart Gwilym August 28, 2019, 5:37 pm
- Fine writing!... - AlanG August 28, 2019, 5:58 pm
- We are being played ... - Tomski August 28, 2019, 6:12 pm
- Re: Catte at OffG, all her splendid guns blazing, shoots down the 'Amazon burning!!!' orchestrated panic - John Monro August 28, 2019, 9:26 pm
- Thanks, good article. Nm - Shyaku August 29, 2019, 2:44 pm
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