They won't keep burning fossil hydrocarbons if they just can't get at them. A lot of what's still Archived Message Posted by RhG on December 22, 2019, 8:19 pm, in reply to "Re: Nafeez nm" deemed as accessible is only so because of hitech extraction techniques which require a high-functioning industrialism to be possible at all. And that industrialism requires a threshold level of net energy availability to be maintainable as a functioning system at all. That's what the SEEDS approach calls ECoE - the energy-cost of energy; another way of saying EROEI - energy returned on energy invested. An EROEI of something like about 5 to 1 seems to be the cut-off point, below which industrialism simply can't get the energy it needs to continue - not and maintain at the same time the absolute basic needs of life like agriculture, clothing industries, home-building, medical care, and such. These are physically-realistic ways of measuring what's possible and what's not in the extraction of fossil hydrocarbon. In the upshot, probably quite a lot of them will stay sequestered under the Earth's surface. And no amounts of bits of fancily-engraved paper are going to have any purchase at all on those non-negotiable, actual physical realities. More on SEEDS here: https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/ Message Thread: Nazeez Ahmed - The Collapse of Civilization May Have Already Begun - johnhol December 22, 2019, 2:50 pm Nafeez nm - johnhol December 22, 2019, 3:41 pm Re: Nafeez nm - Ian M December 22, 2019, 5:27 pm They won't keep burning fossil hydrocarbons if they just can't get at them. A lot of what's still - RhG December 22, 2019, 8:19 pm Re: They won't keep burning fossil hydrocarbons if they just can't get at them. A lot of what's still - Ian M December 24, 2019, 11:35 am   Searching