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    Posted by Ian M on September 3, 2020, 7:38 pm, in reply to "Re: 'We are not a socialist movement'"

    ... still presuming to speak on behalf of everyone in XR. Judge for yourselves:

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    https://twitter.com/XRebellionUK/status/1301516652811620355

    'Extinction Rebellion UK
    @XRebellionUK
    For anyone losing their [shit] over socialism and XR, stating that we aren’t a socialist movement is not the same as saying we reject socialism.

    From the offset, like it or not, we have been an “and” not an “or” movement.

    Breaking the traditional impasse of oppositional politics is not the same as appeasing the side with which we may not agree.

    It’s a hard route to take, because it means that we will likely have to talk to people we’ve spent a lifetime ‘hating’.

    But for the avoidance of any doubt, we don’t hate socialism, we hate the assertion that socialism is the sole silver bullet that will avert ecological collapse.

    Capitalism on the other hand can largely #### right off. We’re not idiots, any more than we are eco-fascists.

    But if we are to win, the level of debate has to step up a notch. Activists and scientists and economists and spiritualists (and all kinds of ists) have got to sit round the same table and work out where their isms intersect, not where they disagree.

    And if that means sometimes having to hear (or heaven forfend accept) other viewpoints that’s exactly the sodding point because this shitstorm we are in doesn’t give a shit about our fragile self-determining Life of Brian differences.

    The people who [Fuel pump] it, delight in our squabbles, feeding the chaos and distraction. And the [Earth globe]? She’s doing what she has to, because there is no time.

    We all know that Nero fiddled while Rome burned, but are we seriously going to niggle while our home does the same?

    It’s not the time to lose our shit, it’s time to shit or get off the pot. #ExtinctionRebellion are here to be the change, in all it’s joyously intersectional diversity.

    So let’s mix our isms, and all become ALCHEMISTS.'

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    Keplan sums it up:

    'Keplan @kepIan_

    Could simply decided not to comment on the banner, that you instead made a conscious decision to distance yourselves from socialism after pic was being shared by the right says a lot.
    You consistently alienate who should be your natural allies while trying to appeal to the right.'     - https://twitter.com/kepIan_/status/1301561542987730944

    Liberal PC waffle. Some people will never 'get round the table' with you because they're your ENEMIES. They will not stop destroying the world because you speak to them with your best nonviolent communication. They have been doing this for a long time and been richly rewarded for it. They and their families and entire sense of self are fully invested in torturing this living planet for all it's worth. They have to be DEFEATED, which will take more than words, and groovy goodwill vibes.

    Ahem, must've touched a nerve
    I

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