But surely we should try to alleviate the harms caused by this capitalist system?. Archived Message Posted by Der on February 3, 2021, 3:05 pm, in reply to "Re: Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek." What if everybody says it's not my job to march against the numerous wars we go into. Or protest climate change. Or support the Palestinians or Iraqis. Or fight for animal rights or fox hunting or what have you. Coz I didn't create this capitalist system. Capitalist society has thrown up these dilemmas and it's not my job to fix them. That doesn't sound quite right to me. Isn't that a bit like that bloke Pontius Pilate? Surely, if we can make a difference we should try. By the way, care homes actually lobby the government not to give grants to people who wish to care for their elderly at home. A nasty bunch. Enjoyed your post. Best I've come across on this topic. Thanks. Message Thread: | This response ↓ Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek. - Der February 2, 2021, 9:15 pm Re: Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek. - Keith-264 February 2, 2021, 9:48 pm Make an argument. You're just ignoring the issues. nm - Der February 2, 2021, 9:52 pm There's nothing to discuss....nm - Keith-264 February 3, 2021, 1:36 pm What would you do with invading armies, with those who seek to overthrow the revolution? - Der February 2, 2021, 10:05 pm Re: What would you do with invading armies, with those who seek to overthrow the revolution? - johnlilburne February 2, 2021, 10:36 pm Indeed. And people talk about the importance of internationalism! LOL! - Der February 2, 2021, 11:50 pm The tyranny of the minority is fascism i.e. the status quo....nm - Keith-264 February 3, 2021, 1:37 pm Re: The tyranny of the minority is fascism i.e. the status quo....nm - johnlilburne February 3, 2021, 3:32 pm Sophistry - Keith-264 February 3, 2021, 5:24 pm No, it's not. NM - johnlilburne February 3, 2021, 9:18 pm Re: The tyranny of the minority is fascism i.e. the status quo....nm - dereklane February 4, 2021, 8:21 am I hink you put that rather well....nm - Keith-264 February 4, 2021, 9:40 am Re: Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek. - Willem February 2, 2021, 10:12 pm Re: Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek. - Adamski February 2, 2021, 10:37 pm Re: Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek. - Willem February 3, 2021, 12:50 pm Re: Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek. - johnlilburne February 2, 2021, 10:41 pm John, they tried stuff like that in Spain in 1936. Those who chose not to be part of a collective - Der February 2, 2021, 11:44 pm For "cooperative" read "collective". Nm - Der February 2, 2021, 11:46 pm Re: Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek. - dereklane February 2, 2021, 10:46 pm Then say how you would deal with the issues I raised. - Der February 2, 2021, 11:26 pm Re: Then say how you would deal with the issues I raised. - dereklane February 2, 2021, 11:53 pm Re: Then say how you would deal with the issues I raised. - dereklane February 3, 2021, 12:00 am Indeed. Like the Zapatistas. But what if matters were urgent? Enemy at the gate stuff. nm - Der February 3, 2021, 9:41 am "No leaders mean decisions need to be unanimous." - Keith-264 February 3, 2021, 1:40 pm There is nothing remotely authoritarian about me deciding who can and cannot enter my home. - Der February 3, 2021, 9:39 am Don't you see anything remotely authoritarian in you deciding who I can have visit/enter my home? nm - Der February 3, 2021, 10:05 am Re: Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek. - Gerard February 3, 2021, 12:11 am Re: Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek. - Ian M February 3, 2021, 1:00 am Re: Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek. - Der February 3, 2021, 9:57 am Re: Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek. - Gerard February 3, 2021, 12:14 pm Re: Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek. - Gerard February 3, 2021, 12:20 pm Military-Industrial Complex - Gerard February 3, 2021, 12:26 pm Re: Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek. - Ian M February 3, 2021, 1:30 pm well put!! Nm - dereklane February 3, 2021, 2:01 pm Re: Anarchism and authoritarianism. Ian, Margo and Derek. - brooks February 3, 2021, 3:04 pm Hey, I don't support the EU. I'm just against borders. Brexit was about strengthening our borders. - Der February 3, 2021, 3:21 pm Re: Hey, I don't support the EU. I'm just against borders. Brexit was about strengthening our borders. - brooks February 3, 2021, 3:47 pm Sure, it's a dilemma. I was willing to take a position. Others weren't. nm - Der February 3, 2021, 4:02 pm "take a position" no, you made of yourself a martyr - Keith-264 February 3, 2021, 5:39 pm Re: Hey, I don't support the EU. I'm just against borders. Brexit was about strengthening our borders. - brooks February 3, 2021, 4:17 pm "Strengthening our borders" - government mantra. And government middle finger. nm - Der February 3, 2021, 4:55 pm Not in my name, I voted for lexit....nm - Keith-264 February 3, 2021, 5:37 pm No you didn't. - Ken Waldron February 3, 2021, 11:12 pm Hmmm, the biter bit ;O)....nm - Keith-264 February 3, 2021, 5:36 pm But surely we should try to alleviate the harms caused by this capitalist system?. - Der February 3, 2021, 3:05 pm Re: But surely we should try to alleviate the harms caused by this capitalist system?. - Ian M February 3, 2021, 5:26 pm Quite agree, socialism/social democracy/democratic socialism - Keith-264 February 3, 2021, 5:40 pm Re: But surely we should try to alleviate the harms caused by this capitalist system?. - dereklane February 3, 2021, 6:05 pm Thanks a lot, Ian. Going to check out Lierre Keith's book. - Der February 3, 2021, 6:26 pm Re: Thanks a lot, Ian. Going to check out Lierre Keith's book. - Ian M February 3, 2021, 9:54 pm Kropotkin, anarchist climate camps, care homes, what have you... - Der February 5, 2021, 10:39 am Re: Kropotkin, anarchist climate camps, care homes, what have you... - brooks February 5, 2021, 2:33 pm Re: Kropotkin, anarchist climate camps, care homes, what have you... - Der February 5, 2021, 5:01 pm Re: Kropotkin, anarchist climate camps, care homes, what have you... - Der February 5, 2021, 5:06 pm Re: Kropotkin, anarchist climate camps, care homes, what have you... - brooks February 5, 2021, 5:35 pm Re: Kropotkin, anarchist climate camps, care homes, what have you... - brooks February 5, 2021, 2:44 pm Re: Kropotkin, anarchist climate camps, care homes, what have you... - Der February 5, 2021, 4:56 pm Re: Kropotkin, anarchist climate camps, care homes, what have you... - Ian M February 5, 2021, 11:53 pm Cheers, Ian. We're moving closer! That'll do. Appreciate your views. And efforts. nm - Der February 6, 2021, 8:27 am Okey doke, no worries (nm) - Ian M February 6, 2021, 3:55 pm   Searching