concise and really excellent mr johnlilburne Archived Message
Posted by Subhi on March 25, 2021, 3:47 pm, in reply to "Re: O/T - Harpers: 'Lost in Thought: The psychological risks of meditation' "
I have so so many times had the conversation with meditation retreatants "I've come on this retreat and I am having a really bad time" (sitting for 16 hrs a day for 2 months not enough food and people a bit aggressive and irritable after a few days, oh and 24hr silence)...this complaining really took off in the 90's because sitting ( chen, chinese, samten Tibetan Zen japanese) had been popularised as a 'therapy', samadhi and maitri practise work very well for awhile as calming and healing practises, self tonglen etc, but they are the initial, kriya stage in nyingma parlance what comes after brings strong and healthy men and women to their knees as it is intended to do and from there people either drop it, go unpleasantly insane, (it is always said that retreats turn either in to insane asylums or kindergartens that has generally been my experience) or you start living s practise life and happily soldier on. There are an infinite number of ways to practice but spiritual practise is alternately hard, terrifying and sometimes a tedious drag, but if like me you are into that kind of thing you stick at it. I can not say that I have any attainments whatsoever "happy in any circumstances Dzogchen Yogi happy in any company" as we used to chant reciting and doing the concomminent visualizations for Dudjom Rinpoches short ngondro, is perhaps my only personal benefit but for that alone I am enormously grateful. There is no spiritual progress without other beings in particular ones you find unappealing the focus of your active compassion and those who irritate you the object of your loving patience, it ain't easy mostly one fails..."that they might find comfort ease in the vast expanse and luminosity of their very own minds" ...thanks
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- Perhaps there are similar patterns as amongst the modern hikikomori?. - Ken Waldron March 25, 2021, 11:34 pm
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