Sigh. Imo you have not thought this through ... 📂 Archived Message Posted by Tomski on July 23, 2021, 9:08 am, in reply to "Re: Whatever: The premise is dubious. I'd even say opportunistic ..." There is an obvious difference between the capitalist and socialist system of governance. One governed by principle of profit by a few and the other by the wellbeing of the collective respectively. Both systems can be either authoritarian or not. I automatically discount corporatism since that leads to fascism and this is where the neocon US is heading towards with Democrats at the helm at the mo (as per the particle posted by K264 which you alluded to). The key principle from the left pov that can be used as a guide is collectivism and equality. To ensure the collective is looked after, one can penalise anti-social behaviour. How you do this will define whether it is authoritarian or not. Clearly, it is not free-for-all. By contrast, in a capitalist system, there is a huge element of free-for-all, free for the few and not so free for the rest. The prison system in the US defines this difference quite well. To come back to my original point regarding the differences in the pandemic outcomes between UK and China, the few factoids I quoted in my earlier post clearly define the stark difference between the two systems. Btw, I don't have the luxury of time to devote to whataboutery. Message Thread: Speaking of hadow state .. here's the new shiny fascist state - Willem July 22, 2021, 12:47 am shadow state nm - Willem July 22, 2021, 12:48 am Whatever: The premise is dubious. I'd even say opportunistic ... - Tomski July 22, 2021, 1:20 am Re: Whatever: The premise is dubious. I'd even say opportunistic ... - Willem July 22, 2021, 10:11 pm Your premise that the pandemic was pre- planned for - Adamski July 23, 2021, 12:20 am Sigh. Imo you have not thought this through ... - Tomski July 23, 2021, 9:08 am Irrelevant points. I'm saying their system, but corporate style, will come here. - Willem July 23, 2021, 1:45 pm I was being polite ... - Tomski July 24, 2021, 11:14 am « Index   Searching