Not sure I quite understand why these camps have formed..surely any "conspirac-ist" (Nb. not "conspirator" instead "one who believes in more than the permissible number of conspiracy theories"), has no problem believing that Covid-19 is a "gain of function" virus from the same stable (and using some of the same building-blocks), as HIV? Why is it necessary to believe that the virus itself is a hoax? Surely the "drive to compliance" re: the vaccine protocol is par-for-the-course? So why do conspiracists find it so difficult to believe that eugenicist Pandoras have opened a box full of things about which they have insufficient knowledge and are unable to control? Again I refer TLN to the NAVS work on AIDS (published only a few years after HIV/AIDS became extant), and the marvellous Jan Creamer....