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    Re: Video: Jimmy Dore's Anti-Vaccine Lies 📂 Archived Message

    Posted by Ian M on November 7, 2021, 10:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Video: Jimmy Dore's Anti-Vaccine Lies"

    Thanks for posting, seems mostly fair comment. While I've appreciated Dore's strong stance on the politics of mandates I have wondered about the strength of some of his medical claims. A few of the more recent vids have been sailing a bit too close to Great Barrington territory for my liking, too, along the lines of 'everyone's getting covid, just protect the elderly & vulnerable' (through vaccines and other methods). Max Blumenthal even mentioned GB briefly & with seeming approval, without noting the Koch Bros funding and the huge risks associated with that strategy (though these may have lessened somewhat since last year)

    Otherwise, two quibbles with the vid:

    On the ivermectin effectiveness claim, Dore does seem to be technically correct in that the particular video which sparked the 'correction' didn't have him making such a claim. Hadn't seen the other one or the Rogan appearance but in those he does seem to be referencing somebody else's claim about effectiveness in Mexico rather than saying it outright himself. Maybe that's the 'plausible deniability' the critic accuses him of, but I don't see the harm of bringing attention to it, or accept the critic's assessment that there's no evidence to support IVM's effectiveness (just not conclusive evidence at this point). He certainly shouldn't be censored for just bringing up the topic IMO, nor smeared with the 'horse dewormer' lie as Rogan was.

    On the intramuscular/intravenous injection on mice study, interesting if it was a case of mistaken identity in one mouse but that's not all this is based on. Campbell says it was part of his training and something he had always done (aspirating with the needle to check it wasn't going directly into the bloodstream). Don't remember him addressing the point of there being minimal risk in this particular muscle (the deltoid), but isn't that the usual site for vaccine injection? Seems to me like it's a risk minimisation exercise which might only prevent a small number of adverse reactions, but on the scale the vaccines have been rolled out on that could amount to quite a lot of cases. The overblown, overcertain way JD presents it is unhelpful, I would agree, but again, isn't it a valid point to bring up for debate?

    I don't buy the critic's general claim that it's all about grift. This was particularly unfair, and not a characterisation I recognise after a considerable amount of time watching Dore's output:

    'Now Dore himself isn't even pushing anti-vaccine conspiracies for ideological reasons, I don't think. I don't think he actually has any opinions, to be honest, he's just someone who's willing to cash in on a trend, even if it ends up getting people killed.' (36:15)

    Plenty of examples to point to of Dore taking deeply unpopular stances, risking his popularity in a way others don't have the courage to. He seems like an honest, principled actor, albeit not particularly rigorous or educated in the sciences etc. 'Not a math surgeon' as he likes to point out himself. Then all the activism on health care he has done, again making himself plenty of powerful enemies including on the supposed left (shouldn't he be courting them as well for merch sales?) - why would he care about that, as he so obviously does, and spend so much time & effort on it if not out of a genuine desire to help struggling people, abandoned by the entire political class in the US? Watch him tell his own personal story of why he got involved and ask yourself if he's just 'cashing in on a trend' and doesn't care if it '[gets] people killed':





    Anyway, good to be reminded that nobody's perfect and that claims have to be evaluated on their own merits regardless of who happens to be making them.

    cheers,
    I

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