#22 Archived Message
Posted by Ian M on July 31, 2022, 7:27 pm, in reply to "Project: to find 29 examples of the BBC failing 'due impartiality' in Ukraine reporting"
A classic, referring to the Ukrainian defeat at Mariupol and subsequent capture & imprisonment of the fighters by the Russian military as an 'evacuation': #22: Ukraine's soldiers trapped in Mariupol evacuated, May 17th:
Newsreader Tim Willcox: 'More than 260 wounded soldiers from the Azovstal steel works on the edge of the Ukrainian city of Mariupol have been evacuated. They've been holding out against a Russian offensive for nearly three months, gaining almost legendary status among many Ukrainians in the process [...] these latest pictures suggest that the soldiers in the Azovstal plant were bussed out and have now reached Novoazovsk [?] which is a Russian-controlled town in eastern Ukraine. [Footage of buses with big white 'Z's on the windows] At least 50 of the soldiers are said to have been taken to local hospitals there. It's not clear at this stage if they will be released into Ukrainian government hands. Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky has stressed the importance of their release:' Vladimir Zelensky: 'We hope to save the lives of our boys. Among them are the heavily wounded. They are being treated. I want to underline Ukraine needs its Ukrainian heroes alive. This is our principle. I think these words can be understood by all adequate people.' Newsreader Tim Willcox: 'Let's get the latest now from Joe Inwood who joins us from Lviv. Uh Joe, is this effectively the end of the siege of Muriupol?' Reporter Joe Inwood: 'Uh I'm not sure we can say that for certain yet. We do know that there are, we certainly suspect that there are soldiers still inside. It may be that some have decided they'd had enough, and you can understand why, but some have decided that they are going to stay and fight, maybe because they are the members for example of the Azov battalion who feared they would not receive anything approaching fair treatment. So I think until we have confirmation that every single soldier is out of that complex I think we can say, we can't say that the battle is completely over, but I think this does represent a a marked shift in the conflict. [...] I think it's fair to say that, whilst the Russians have clearly come close to winning the battle for Mariupol they might be losing the wider war. That's certainly the assessment that we're getting from analysts and from the intelligence that we're seeing up in Kharkiv as you mentioned. This is Ukraine's second city, we've seen a counter-offensive, we've seen Ukrainian forces pushing Russian forces back and yesterday indeed there was a video that was released - I'm sure people will have seen this - of Ukrainian forces carrying a big yellow and blue striped post to the border to reimpose their post on the internationally recognized border. They sent a message to the president, president Zelensky saying "We are here, we've done it" so yeah, we are seeing these Ukrainian counter-offensives even pushing Russian forces back across the Seversky Donets river around Donetsk and holding the line in Isiam [?]. So I think the general pattern, although it's varied in different places, the general pattern is that the Russians seem to be struggling, they're losing a lot of forces and the Ukrainians are trying to push them back where they can.' ***** No comment from Russian officials or explanations for why the 'heroes' of the Azov battalion might not expect 'fair treatment' from the Russians, eg: because of claims they held civilians hostage in the steel works, or because of the openly fascist politics of the battalion: https://www.zenger.news/2022/06/20/pro-russian-dpr-shows-what-the-azovstal-steel-works-look-like-now-one-month-after-azov-fighters-surrendered/ Almost comical bias shown in the attempt to present a clear Russian victory as somehow not significant, not complete, and anyway they're losing the war elsewhere in the region. 'Evacuation' not 'unconditional surrender and imprisonment', as many comments under the video point out.
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- Project: to find 29 examples of the BBC failing 'due impartiality' in Ukraine reporting - Ian M July 26, 2022, 8:32 pm
- #2 - Ian M July 26, 2022, 11:25 pm
- #4 - Ian M July 27, 2022, 12:03 am
- #5 - Ian M July 27, 2022, 12:27 am
- Good work Ian. Hope to chime in once able to understand Ofcom dodgy use of changeable goalposts. nm - marknadim July 27, 2022, 1:37 am
- #6 - Ian M July 27, 2022, 6:55 pm
- Re: #7 - Keith-264 July 27, 2022, 8:11 pm
- Re: #7 - Ian M July 27, 2022, 11:01 pm
- #8 - Ian M July 27, 2022, 10:54 pm
- #9 - Ian M July 27, 2022, 11:22 pm
- #10 - Ian M July 27, 2022, 11:50 pm
- #11? Remember this one from Grayzone? "BBC correspondent-fixer shaping Ukraine coverage is PR op" - marknadim July 28, 2022, 5:56 am
- #12 - Ian M July 28, 2022, 6:52 pm
- #13 - Ian M July 28, 2022, 7:20 pm
- Re: #13 - Ian M July 28, 2022, 7:22 pm
- #14 - Ian M July 28, 2022, 8:21 pm
- #15 - Ian M July 28, 2022, 11:01 pm
- #16 - Ian M July 29, 2022, 11:25 pm
- #17 - Ian M July 29, 2022, 11:56 pm
- #18: - Ian M July 30, 2022, 7:53 pm
- #19 - Ian M July 30, 2022, 11:14 pm
- #20 and #21 - Ian M July 31, 2022, 12:05 am
- #22 - Ian M July 31, 2022, 7:27 pm
- #23 - Ian M July 31, 2022, 8:14 pm
- #24 - Ian M July 31, 2022, 11:18 pm
- Re: #24 - Tomski August 2, 2022, 10:00 pm
- #25 - Ian M July 31, 2022, 11:43 pm
- #26 - Ian M August 1, 2022, 10:53 pm
- #27 - Ian M August 1, 2022, 11:34 pm
- #28 - Ian M August 2, 2022, 12:14 am
- #29 - Ian M August 2, 2022, 7:01 pm
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