Re: Is NATO falling apart? A published letter in the Wellington Dominion Post Archived Message Posted by John Monro on November 25, 2022, 8:03 pm, in reply to " Is NATO falling apart?" The Editors The Dominion Post Wellington Dear Sir / Madam Two days ago Nicholas Khoo wrote “ Why NZ’s morality narrative on Ukraine doesn’t work”, a much needed counter to the lack of rational thinking in regard to this war. . Khoo’s thesis being: us = good vs. them (Russia) = evil, is simplistic, hypocritical and more importantly, doesn’t work. Now NZ is to “extend support” to Ukraine by training Ukrainian soldiers whilst NATO arms Ukraine, pouring petrol on a conflagration where men are being slaughtered in their tens of thousands, fighting a proxy war against Russia to the last Ukrainian, for what? This illustrates perfectly the moral contortions Nicholas Khoo was dismayed by. We should be fighting, but in the UN for a ceasefire, and an agreement that might bring some sort of solution. Ukraine will “lose” Crimea (it actually belongs to Crimeans who mostly want to be Russian), they will “lose” parts of Donbas - subject to a separatist war since 2014 - and Ukraine will remain neutral. The US and NATO share considerable culpability for this war, a total failure of diplomacy, a bellicose intransigence over years provoking Russia. The US should, according to their own Munro doctrine, withdraw from Europe, and Europe including Russia construct their own security umbrella for that Continent. Yours faithfully John K Monro This was written 16/11/22. I hope NATO or the EU doesn't actually "fall apart" - that suggests a chaotic outcome, and much chaos invariably leads to even more chaos. I hope that the interternal contradictions in both organisations can be sorted rather more rationally - one. that NATO disbands itself, that the US is asked to leave Europe and that Europe can grow in stature by shaking off this abject submission to US hegemonic behaviour. That might ensure a quieter and ultimately more secure outcome in some sort of pan-European stability and security arrangement which would hopefully include Russia. Not that Russia is going to welcome having to work with a fractious and aggressive Europe, but by then Europe might have calmed down a bit when they see how disastrously misguided they've been. As for the UK, you might as well apply to become the US's fifty-first state. Starmer presumably would love to be the first Governor of State of England (I exclude Scotland and Wales as hopefully they will have left the UK by then and Northern Ireland will be part of a greater Irish Republic) I remind those reading this that the Munro Doctrine does include the quid pro quo of European non-interference in Western Hemisphere affairs a promise of US non-interference in European affairs. This is universally ignored in the political commentariat. Message Thread: Is NATO falling apart? - Keith-264 November 25, 2022, 12:53 pm Yes. - Morrissey November 25, 2022, 3:23 pm Let's hope so - 30 years too late but better late than never (nm) - SueC November 25, 2022, 4:00 pm Not according to Sir Keir - scrabb November 25, 2022, 4:55 pm Re: Not according to Sir Keir - johnlilburne November 26, 2022, 3:40 pm Re: Indeed (nm) - Jackie November 26, 2022, 7:17 pm 'Accidental anarchist' Carne Ross is upset - Ian M November 25, 2022, 7:25 pm Re: Is NATO falling apart? A published letter in the Wellington Dominion Post - John Monro November 25, 2022, 8:03 pm Re: Is NATO falling apart? A published letter in the Wellington Dominion Post - Ken Waldron November 25, 2022, 9:50 pm "The US and NATO share considerable culpability for this war..." - Morrissey November 26, 2022, 1:35 am Yeah - but so is almost everything that the world needs NOT to fall apart or melt down NM - Jim_Carlucci November 26, 2022, 5:39 am   Searching